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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, May 18, 2010.

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  1. Major

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    They probably don't have segregated ones. They probably just don't allow certain groups to use them at all.

    Can you name a country where the free market has fixed issues of discrimination?
     
  2. weslinder

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    Certainly. For much of the South in the late 1800s and the Midwest in the 1910s - 1920s, the KKK controlled State governments and local governments.

    I don't think it's revisionist at all. It just doesn't assume that our political history defines us completely. I understand that it's the easy way to teach history. It's nice and linear, but it ignores a lot.
     
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    Examples, please?
     
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    In the American West, discrimination (especially against blacks) was dramatically reduced throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries before it was ever mandated.
     
  5. thadeus

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    The 'free market' is a lie.
     
  6. rhadamanthus

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    The idea that they represented typical white thought at the time is hard to swallow because...?

    Please. That's a cop out. There is nothing linear about the far more supported and factual notion that racism was rampant and that jim crow laws were orchestrated to systematically implement the racism that was already innocuous.

    Sure, there were probably a few oddball tolerant white folks who refused to take action out of fear of reprisals, but the idea that such a mentality was commonplace and only held in check via the governmental powers that be is pure fantasy.
     
  7. Deckard

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    Today? It's been some years, but India, the last time I was there. The government's official position is that the caste system is wrong and shouldn't exist. When I was there, it certainly was in existence. Why? In my opinion, because there were broad sections of Indian society that were ignorant, superstitious, and bigoted. Sort of like a lot of the United States today. In the States, not a majority, thank goodness, but enough to elect bizarre people to office.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Where are you getting this?

    The West had a whole bunch of "sundown towns", which was especially ridiculous given that blacks were mostly migrating to the midwest and the northeast rather than places like Montana or Idaho.

    Further more, virulent racism and discrimination against, and segregation of, Chinese workers was commonplace from the get-go. The Chinese exclusion act was passed in 1882. Why? Because white people hated chinamen.

    your version of american history completely sucks - are you getting this crap from the Texas school board?
     
  9. rimrocker

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    Ridiculous.

    To build on Sam's sundowner mention, here's a list of prominent known and confirmed Sundown towns by state...

    Washington

    Bellingham
    Brewster
    Brewster
    Chehalis
    Chelan
    Colville
    Kennewick
    Montesano
    Olympia
    Richland
    Seattle
    Shelton
    Tacoma
    Vancouver
    Walla Walla

    Oregon

    Ashland
    Astoria
    Coos Bay
    Dallas
    Eugene
    Florence
    Grants Pass
    Jacksonville
    La Grande
    Lake Oswego
    Lebanon
    McMinnville
    Medford
    Milton
    Monroe
    Oakridge
    Oregon City
    Pendleton
    Roseburg
    Salem
    Springfield
    The Dalles
    Tillamook
    Toledo

    California

    Anaheim
    Antioch
    Arcadia
    Arcata
    Arroyo Grande
    Azusa
    Bakersfield
    Bayshore City
    Bel Air
    Berkeley
    Bishop
    Brea
    Buena Park
    Burbank
    Burlingame
    Cerritos
    Chester
    Chico
    Compton
    Corning
    Costa Mesa
    Crescent City
    Culver City
    Del Norte County
    Dutch Flat
    East Palo Alto
    El Norte
    Escondido
    Eureka
    Fillmore
    Folsom
    Fontana
    Fresno
    Garden Grove
    Glendale
    Gold Run
    Grass Valley
    Hawthorne
    Hemet
    Hidden Hills
    Holy City
    Humboldt County
    Huntington Beach
    Indian Wells
    Inglewood
    Irvine
    Kernville
    Kingsburg
    La Habra
    La Jolla
    Lafayette
    Lincoln
    Lodi
    Lomita
    Lynwood
    Manhattan Beach
    Marysville
    Mill Valley
    Monterey Park
    Napa
    Nevada City
    Newport Beach
    Nicolaus
    Norco
    North Palo Alto
    Oildale
    Orange
    Orange County
    Orinda
    Oroville
    Palmdale
    Palos Verdes Estates
    Parlier
    Pasadena
    Piedmont
    Placerville
    Porterville
    Red Bluff
    Redding
    Redlands
    Redwood City
    Riverside
    Rocklin
    Ross
    San Fernando Valley
    San Jacinto
    San Jose
    San Juan
    San Juan Capistrano
    San Leandro
    San Marino
    San Pablo
    Santa Ana
    Santa Cruz
    Sawyers Bar
    Selma
    Sheridan
    Sonora
    South Gate
    South Pasadena
    Stanton
    Taft
    Tarzana
    Torrance
    Truckee
    Visalia
    Watsonville
    Westfield
    Westminster
    Wheatland
    Whittier
    Yorba Linda

    Arizona

    Bisbee
    Duncan
    Globe
    Kingman
    Prescott
    Scottsdale
    Sun City
    Youngtown

    Nevada

    General
    Ely
    Fallon
    Goldfield
    Minden-Gardnerville
    Unionville

    Utah

    Blanding
    Bluffdale
    Brigham City
    Carbon
    Corinne
    Eagle Mountain
    Murray
    Price

    Idaho

    Bonners Ferry
    Clark Fork
    Hoodoo
    Moscow
    Twin Falls
    Wallace

    Montana

    Choteau
    Glendive
    Lincoln County
    Miles City
    Roundup

    Wyoming

    Green River
    Laramie
    Powell
    Rock Springs

    Colorado

    Cedaredge
    Colorado Springs
    Durango
    Longmont

    New Mexico

    Aztec
    Bernalillo
    Portales
    Taos

    http://sundown.afro.illinois.edu/content.php?file=sundowntowns-whitemap.html

    Again, those are the towns that the primary researcher into this field decided were prominent enough to put on a map. (Some of them targeted Chinese, Jews, and others as well as blacks.) If you look on Eastern states in the map, you'll find a lot there as well. No doubt many other towns fell into the same category. The West followed the same pattern as the rest of the country, including the East, with racism becoming more overt, socially enforced, and codified in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
     
  10. Major

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    As Deckard pointed out, India. Businesses can and sometimes do reject "untouchables", especially in more rural areas.
     
  11. Major

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    Interestingly, Canada had some of these towns until 1982 when they were outlawed. So the idea that the free market fixes these problems doesn't seem to have worked there.
     
  12. Major

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    To clarify, this is according to Wikipedia, but I can't seem to verify that anywhere else.
     
  13. pgabriel

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    unfortunately we will be producing a bunch more Weslinders in the near future
     

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