1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

To the pro tankers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by carayip, Feb 21, 2013.

Tags:
  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    59,080
    Likes Received:
    36,708
    Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. There are obviously degrees of preparation, and degrees of opportunity. The Spurs didn't prepare that much to get Duncan, he just happened to fall in their laps the year Robinson got hurt, for example. Same with Seattle drafting Durant in the midst of a franchise fire sale after Portland went for Oden.

    On the other end of the spectrum, the Heat worked long and hard behind the scenes to assemble their big 3 (basically since the 2008 Olympics...) To say that the Rockets hadn't invested patiently & prudently in being able to pounce on a Harden or Howard being available is just being an idiot. By your measure, every acquisition is luck.
     
  2. peleincubus

    peleincubus Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    25,610
    Likes Received:
    13,511
    We could have Nene and gasol on this team right now. Shudder
     
  3. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    13,534
    Likes Received:
    10,525
    I guess you don't believe in making your own luck? Yes, it is lucky that OKC was offering up Harden for trade, but it is hardly luck that allowed DM and the Rockets to be in the position to complete such a trade at a moment's notice. Pulling the trigger and handing over a max deal, anyone could have done that, even MJ. Investing in your team's assets and intelligently managing the cap so that we WOULD be in the position to make any deal or signing? That was not luck. That was great and hard work by a top tier GM to make sure that if any such deal comes up, we would be ready to pounce. Were we lucky that Harden was up for grabs? Absolutely! Was the trade a simple matter of luck? Hell no! DM made his own luck and cashed in on it. It is like getting dealt a royal flush, but managing to slow play your hand and sucker in your opponents for an all in bet. It takes luck to get dealt a good hand, but how you go with the hand is all skill.
     
  4. ashishduh

    ashishduh Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Messages:
    1,980
    Likes Received:
    61
    Harden's availability wasn't luck. I remember looking at their salaries last year knowing they couldn't afford all 5 of their best players.
     
  5. thedude077

    thedude077 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2012
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    1,324
    I think Damian Lillard or ANdre Drummond would've been Morey's choice.
     
  6. charles_zed

    charles_zed Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    42
    It was drumstick. We would have the beginnings of a dynasty and already be securely in the play-offs had we drafted him.
     
  7. gmoney411

    gmoney411 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    3,779
    Likes Received:
    895
    Who said you have to get rid of Martin and/or Lowry to tank. Those guys were hurt half of the year last year. It was holding on to guys like Scola and adding Dalembert that didn't make sense and just caused us to float.
     
  8. gmoney411

    gmoney411 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    3,779
    Likes Received:
    895
    Nobody said the Rockets didn't invest patiently and prudently but I did say that even with all that waiting and investing they didn't end up with Harden because they had the best available package of youth/experience etc.

    What do you believe my measure is btw?
     
  9. charles_zed

    charles_zed Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,218
    Likes Received:
    42
    Nah I'm happy, I was anti-tank. I'm just saying I would like McClemore from this draft.
     
  10. gmoney411

    gmoney411 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2008
    Messages:
    3,779
    Likes Received:
    895
    I'm not really sure how what you are saying contradicts what I was saying. I think Morey deserves all the credit in the world for pulling the trigger and giving up max money to Harden. However, I also don't see what we gained by floating around the 8th seed last year. Getting a higher pick last year would not have prevented us from making the Harden trade.
     
  11. pass_to_Hakeem

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,330
    Likes Received:
    442

    ^ I actually wish we wouldn't have gotten rid of Scola. He was a consistent low post scorer.
     
  12. kaitanuva

    kaitanuva Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2008
    Messages:
    1,790
    Likes Received:
    101
    Huge liability on defense.
     
  13. split41

    split41 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,504
    Likes Received:
    343
    Pride and integrity as a ball club?
     
  14. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,609
    Likes Received:
    24,980
    We would have picked Royce White if we had a top 5 pick. :grin:
     
  15. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,609
    Likes Received:
    24,980
    I still break into a cold sweat whenever I think of us dodging that near-miss bullet. (Actually, Stern took that bullet for us. LOL.) Thank you, Stern.
     
  16. J Sizzle

    J Sizzle Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    Messages:
    43,515
    Likes Received:
    29,604
    Nobody is saying that Harden's availability was luck, or at least they shouldn't. That's an example of preparation meets opportunity.

    However...it most certainly is luck that we were available for Harden. Without the vetoed CP3 trade, we'd most likely have Gasol and Nene, which would be horrible. If the Dwight Howard trade worked out, we would have lost significant assets in that as well, which would have prevented a Harden trade.

    Morey's not lucky that Harden was available, he was just lucky that his previous plans didn't work out.
     
  17. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,836
    Likes Received:
    6,566
    Thats where the"luck" kicked in.
     
  18. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2000
    Messages:
    21,668
    Likes Received:
    10,588
    Morey tried to tank. RA and McHale keeps getting in the way with their good coaching.
     
  19. Garner

    Garner Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2009
    Messages:
    4,688
    Likes Received:
    1,846
    Morey has been pretty vocal about the easiest way to build a contender is through the draft; however, Les' desire to remain a competitive business did not make bottoming out an option.

    My point, just because Morey has found success without tanking, doesn't mean it was his preferred path.
     
  20. Icehouse

    Icehouse Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2000
    Messages:
    13,470
    Likes Received:
    3,814
    I was a pro tanker. I didn't expect OKC to be dumb and give up Harden, or SAC to be dumb and give up a #5 pick in a few months. Tanking is the best way to acquire young star talent. I am happy Morey found a way to acquire that talent without having to tank. He managed to finally pull it off this summer, after multiple seasons of failure. But now he has us in a great position.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now