To Morey, what the real value of Bud, Brooks, Hill, etc.?

There is no trade deadline, just a four month window in which trading is prohibited.

a % match is just one hurdle that needs to be addressed.

 

I'd say Morey's done fairly well in drafts. Gilbert Arenas is another player who went in the 2nd round. And i agree with the above statement.

 

It occurs to me that maybe we should trade all our players and get 7 picks a year (both 1st- and 2nd-rounders) for 3-4 years. You have to figure DM could come up with a couple of All-stars out of 21 picks.

 

Again. This all sounds like fun microtransactions. The word being "micro". Its fun he captivates so many of you with statistical algorithms that place Battier in non stats Superstar category and shoots Hills hidden potential stock to the moon and all. Its nice flash and dazzle smoke and mirrors numbers games. Results right now are not impressive. I am extremely underwhelmed. Bored even with this game. My favorite game is fantasy team building where you stockpile actual talent and not projected projects team of the obscure future stats something or another that cant be explained or put onto the court into some tangible winning formula. Tangible not intangibles. We have plenty of intangibles right now. We need more substance. Where is the beef Morey? Show me the money.

 

The real deadline is not the trade deadline. It's the patience of the fans and the owner. In this business, you can't take slight incremental upgrades and wait for the results after 5 years. No teams want to wait 5 years to be good. Not to mention keep doing small trades messes up your continuity. No coach wants to deal with a revolving door roster.

 

The problem though is that while Morey might not overvalue his players, other GMs may not either. You hear about our players like Brooks, Martin, and Lee being discussed in the rumor mills, but it's usually in trade scenerios for serviceable role players like Gortat, Casspi, or Johnny Flynn, and not for the borderline stars or young potentials that get discussed on clutchfans.

I hate to say it, but there may be a reason why Morey hasn't enticed many GMs by dangling trade packages that include Brooks, Budinger or Battier plus expirings/picks.

 

Yeah but its always straight up for Brooks or straight up for Martin. Never any big packages like we discuss. Thus the reason there is no talk seriously about us getting good players back. Brooks for Flynn is embarrassing asking price but if put two players with Brooks or Scola with him or Martin? Then it becomes something else entirely. Those types of moves have not been discussed alot since Amare was almost traded here for Scola and Battier. Two starters. Because that is what it is gonna take. Two starters. OR??? One starter and one real good backup.

 

There is no excuse there. Think about that for a second? We dont have enough? Then why is Scola and Battier enough to get Amare Stoudemire? Thats a lie. We have plaenty to change the face of the team. Other teams are either greedy right now or rediculous. Right move might come along once they start to realize these teams below in the standings cant be setting our asking price. We set the price because they are bottom feeders and we are still hovering around 500. Also. There is alot of talent here that doesnt play because they are in the D league or Rick never plays them minutes. Its their loss. They can go on sucking like us. Eventually a trade will come along to help two teams out that want to help each other.

 

To OP: great post. I like what you are saying.

My point: FIRESALE. Everything is worth nothing. Clear up the team

 

I dont think its as easy to find the right mix of players as some would think. Now I'm not saying its as hard as finding a superstar, but look how long kenny,mad max and thorpe played together with dream before they started winning. Even though you don't have that star player, the role players still have to develop a trust within the structure of winning close games.

I'm all for upgrading the roster and I prefer to find high end young talent. DD was spot on when he metioned Jermaine O'neal. Sometimes, that guy don't just jump off the page,but he needs the proper coaching and support to aide his talent. Thats one of the reason I would like to see Thabeet and randolph on this roster. I think thabeet can be a dpoy type of center. I think randolph has a wide array of special talents. Basically, josh smith/ak-47 type of talent. I think if the rockets can get randolph and thabeet along with patterson on the frontline, they could have a special,versitile frontline that could support brooks/martin,lowry/martin,brooks/buddinger,lowry/williams, or any other backcourt combo the rockets would like to try.

 

The way I look at it, we have Yao (expiring), AB, Budinger / Battier (expiring), Hill, Jeffries (expiring), and the 2012 protected NY pick to trade. I want a pretty good SF (Iggy / Gerald Wallace) and a pretty decent center (preferably pretty good). I am sure we can easily come up with those two players. I know things don't happen overnight; it will take time for the stars to be aligned for this to happen. Anyhow, I believe we would then have a team that could contend.

KL / Ish
Martin / Lee
Iggy or Gerald Wallace / T-Will (eventually) / Bud or Battier
PPatt / Hayes
NEW CENTER / Miller

New center: Dalembert (re-signed to a reasonable contract)? Brook Lopez? Javale McGee? I know there is no consensus here on a center, other than Dwight Howard or Amare, and there wasn't one on Amare until he got to NY.

 

I think the Stoudemire situation, if true, is an exception more than a rule. Usually, for a pair of solid starters like Battier and Scola, the offers are going to be for veteran stars on the decline (Vince Carter, Caron Butler) or a second-tier star on a team with their first star in place and moving in another direction.

Philadelphia's Iguodala is the only guy I see out there who fits the "second-tier star" bill and is worth getting, but it probably will take a younger guy packaged with a veteran to start the discussion. And while I like Iggy as a player, he's not nearly enough to take the team out of mediocrity.