Murray had his 1st good season last season and he at least has impact (more so on defense, but 7.3 WS and 5.4 BPM is really good compared to kpj 0.8 and -1.6). Clarkson money is something i'd give to KPJ, beal sucked/was injured last year but was at 59% the year before which is very good. Jaren was also in the 59-60 range his 1st 2 years, then missed a year, and really dropped off, and his value also is really tied to defense. Murray is really the only one you can point to, but his impact metrics are excellent while KPJ are horrible.
Green shot 36% from 3 from December through the end of the season despite a cold spell in January. I'd call that more than just being hot late though his season numbers were slightly below average. Green was not ready for the speed of the NBA at the start of the season, and the Rockets offense wasn't creating much of anything with Theis on the floor with Tate. Green likely will not be the problem on offense. I'm really hoping Gordon starts instead of Tate. If the Rockets run a starting lineup of KPJ, Green, Gordon, Smith, and Sengun, and Sengun gets a lot of time facilitating the offense, I could see KPJ's scoring volume and efficiency going up. Though, that would be detriment to his assists numbers, but also likely reduce KPJ's turnovers.
The league average is 57%. KPJ's 53% is below league average, a lot. What numbers are you talking about? Curry has an insane career TS% of 62%. (Harden's is 61%, BTW.) Herro's best season was 56%, right around league average.
I still haven’t seen the original source for the list or an answer to why these “most contested 3s” lists do not in any way reflect what the NBAs official tracking data says for KPJ. Looking at the tracking data for Mathews and it makes sense he would show up on that list. According to second spectrum ~16% of KPJs 3s were “tightly contested” ~37% of Mathew’s 3s were “tightly contested”
Yep, Murray is an inefficient scorer, but unlike KPJ, he gets a lot of assists without turning the ball over. Murray also almost gets a steal for every turnover he makes while KPJ turns it over almost three times as much as he gets a steal. I'd be very happy with KPJ if he either became an efficient passer or an efficient scorer.
I used the numbers I was given for Curry and Herro look at the post. Don't see how 4% is a lot, but whatevs. I don't know how this became a convo on TS% anyway, as shown above, players making a lot of money have comparable averages and Keldon does not do as much as KPJ but for some reason we are focusing on TS% and that is supposed to mean what?
That's 1.1 to 1.2 ppg for KPJ's number of shots on average per game last season or about 3 or 4 wins.
So, like I said, not much different. 1.2 a game? How is 1.2 ppg 3 or 4 wins? How do you tie that into overall team wins? Do 3 or 4 wins matter on. atanking team?
lol at people just throwing out random things I must’ve missed when JJJr was paid for his offense Murray’s numbers and advanced stats blow KPJr’s out the water…it’s not even close Bradley Beal’s TS% the last 5 years before his injury riddled year last season: 60, 56, 58, 58, and 59%… Jordan Clarkson, nothing more than a gunner off the bench c’mon
It is 1.2 ppg without using up a possession. There are a lot ways to tie that to team wins. Eyeballing it, a player with 1.2 +/- RAPTOR typically is worth about 4 wins. Rockets won 20 games last season with a -8.5 +/-points per game. Average team wins 41 with a 0.0 points +/- per game. That would put Rockets needing about one more ppg to improve 3 games. Looking at wins and losses, Rockets lost 2 games by 1 point and are likely on the low end of 1 point losses. Maybe you can make a case that I should have said 2-4 wins, but I was close for eyeballing it. Rockets being a tanking team does not impact how valuable 4% of TS% is for evaluating a player. If KPJ had a TS% consistently 4% better than he's had, this thread would be everyone for extending KPJ except those that can't get over locker room issues. Edit: This is based on KPJ scoring last season. 4% more of TS for an entire team is a lot of points.
This is really the only way, I can imagine KPJ grow into a role that would benefit himself and the team. And I don't think his assist numbers would necessarily go down. Despite the glorification of his assist numbers as proof to his playmaking by some posters here, his assist numbers are almost at a bare minimum considering his position and the offense style of the rockets(no ball movement, one pass and attack the basket). For a comparison Colin Sexton was listed here. Colin Sexton, despite not being a point guard, not having playmaking duties, having the worst court vision of all, and not willing to pass, averages more than 3 assists per game, 4.4 his last full season. On a system with more ball movement, KPJ will probably not only get more open looks, but better opportunities to make assists. So my hope is that, everybody will get more assists, and KPJ will keep the same level because he lost some passing volume, while gaining better chances to assist others. And the other things you mentioned, scoring efficiency and less turnovers would be the primary benefit.
If you use .3% as a rebuff, then you totally misunderstood the numbers in the post you replied to. Of course you don't know why TS% became a convo. You have no idea what it represents. It is the gold standard for measuring a player's scoring efficiency. Contrary to the pro-KPJ camp's labeling, we don't want to see KPJ fail. We are just pointing out his two major deficiencies--inefficiency and turnover. For a guy who has the ball a lot and shoots a lot, he must fix then in order to command a hefty contract in this league. KPJ fans have yet to directly addressed these issues, or admit that they are real concerns.
The entire goal of offense is to score as efficiently as possible. The higher the TS, the more efficient you are.
Young players be inconsistent, especially playing brand new position. But, not just talking about potential for high TS% ...
LOL. The entire goal of offense is to score more than the other team, not to be more efficient than the other team.
True shooting numbers with KPJ are WAY off, because he has not been a good FT shooter.....if he can get that up to 80% he will be much better. DD
