If you think he can harden with better defense you’re likely looking at a multiple time mvp and first ballot HOF, from a player who in 3 seasons has accumulated 1.1 win shares. Jumping from being basically 0 per season to 15-20 that you think he’s capable of would be something the sport has never seen and would never see again
Yes, other than having kids in highschool....I can't figure why he would accept that veteran/mentor role so easily. He tweeted before the deadline that he wanted to stay in Houston. He could be spending his final good years competing for a contender. And I'm guessing he will be. Unless the goal is to run Green at point in 23/24 next to either Mathews/JC/Eric Gordon. Gordon then resigning for minimal contracts with Houston thereafter. He must really like the city to go through this rebuild with these kids.
Lol at the KPJ circle jerk crew talking to each other into the night. Wonder which one will be first to hump his leg
That's more than a little bit dishonest....win shares are compellation stats, they are based largely on how many minutes you play. KPJ has just under 4000 minutes for his career....all under 22 years old. To put that in context, Jalen Green played 2100+ minutes last season alone and had 0.7 win shares....an almost identical pace despite being put in a MUCH better situation, you ready to give up on him too? On top of that, how many win shares did Steve Nash have at 21 years old? How about Olajuwon? How about a ton of HOF players that didn't get started until 22? Also, you have to realize I'm talking about a ceiling, not what I think is the most likely outcome. The scenario for everything happening perfect is a multiple time MVP and first ballot HOFer, do I think that will happen? Almost certainly not, that's why it's the ceiling, not the floor.
I guess when i say ceiling I’m talking about 90-95th percentile outcomes, a more reasonable best case scenario. Green was a rookie, we’ll see where he is after year 3. Typical mvp/hof guys who came in super young by year 3 were already pretty good. Kobe took till year 4 to become a star but even his rookie season was more then kjp’s 3. what would you say the odds are that kpj makes an allstar team in his career?
Anfernee Simons signed a 4/100M extension Year 1 = 3.8/0.5/0.7 53/34/56 Year 2 = 8.3/2.2/1.4 45/33/82 Year 3 = 7.8/2.2/1.4 40/42/80 Year 4 = 17.3/2.6/3.9 49/40/88 Will Scoot "deserve" 25Ms per year for putting up the same year 4 statline as Simons or nah?
Do you think the simons extension is good? Would you have wanted the rockets to give that to him? He was also considerably more efficient and had 0 incidents as far as i know
This is a pretty good summary of how I feel about KPJ. He is so talented, I mean, we've seen it first hand. He's got all the tools. With a lot of young players you're hoping they take that step to the next level, you're hoping they add X and Y to their game, but with KPJ we have literally already seen it all. He has a 50 point game, a 30 point triple double, a bunch of games where he's got like 28/8 on high efficiency. He's got the stepback, the handle, the clutch performances, the court vision. And in my opinion he's already a high level defender, the area where he's had by far the most improvement since he's been in Houston. What he really needs to do is improve his consistency, that's what's killing him. His consistency kills him because for every game where he has 28/5/8 he will have 3 games where he's got a triple single on 20% shooting with more turnovers than assists. And that's where his 53% TS comes from, that's why his are low, he just has so so so many of these awful games that weigh him down. I don't know if there's a way to look this up statistically but I would guess he has one of the widest ranges on his games when you look at the floor and the ceiling. I'm hopeful going into this season. But I was also hopeful going into last season. I like KPJ and I like watching him play, when he's at his best he reminds me of Harden, and I was always a huge Harden fan. But he really really has to step up his consistency, and he's running out of time to do it. The likelihood that he will ever be great goes down drastically each year he remains stagnant.
KPJ was in a bad situation and was very immature when he started his career... so this last season was really his first ever full season in the NBA and he was already drawing the best defender the opposing team had every single night and having to try and carry a poorly constructed team full of scrubs that weren't helping him out at all till the end of the season. Struggling a bit is understandable. Despite that, we saw that once he got even a little bit of help it opened everything up and he dominated to end the season. If next season picks up where they left off, both Green and KPJ will make a lot of all star games.
100% I get why they did it last year with 3 rookies and KPJ playing his first full season at point, but they can't this year for the sake of those same players, regardless of the incoming rookies.
Ceiling, sure. Is that likely? No. It's never likely that a player reaches their ceiling but we've already seen the skills so we know what is possible.
Its insignificant how I personally feel about the extension, but all I know is that in about 2 years 15Ms - 20Ms could very well be MLE territory. Would you agree that efficiency is dependent on opportunities created by better teammates? Simons did have the opportunity to play with guys like Dame, CJ, Nurkic, RoCo, and even Norman Powell as + players before they went full tank. I've never once said KPJ should get an extension that eclipses the 20M mark, but I could see his agent pushing for it when you have these types of contracts out there.
To be fair to KPJ, he does lead the league in driving inside the perimeter and picking up his dribble and having no idea what he's going to do next.
Wanted to make sure. You say a lot of crazy ish sometimes. Always topping yourself. But can you imagine that going down. Talk about a 30 for 30.
KPJ year long “clutch” stats https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=GP&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-advanced/?sort=GP&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular Season FG% : 31.3 3P% : 28.6 FT% : 76.9 EFG% : 37.5 TS% : 45.1 AST/TO : 1.2 Offensive Rating : 103.8 Defensive Rating: 110.8 Net : -7.0
You do know that most never reach their ceiling because they stop working or settle into a comfortable role etc..... DD
