Should the "fanboys" post the KPJ stats when Gordon and Wood were not in the lineup and KPJ was given the keys to the team as the engine or nah? Context tends to be inconvenient.
But hey, we are fanboys, so actual stats don't really matter. It's amazing that anyone is still trying to claim there has been no improvement.
Yeah I wont focus on the last 2 weeks of the season -- instead lets just isolate post all star break which should be a good enough sample size to build on since the roster was past its worst portion(s) of the season. I was really hoping to find a guy with 100< followers in framing the response to really get the natives restless!
I’m not trying to cherry pick stuff to make him look worse, it’s just that he’s a point/combo guard so I chose points and assists. And TS% is all encompassing, it includes both 3p% and efg in it.
Yes, please post them! I think some folks on here are too quick to turn snarky and make things combative, Im not here to try to win or even start a fight.
No need to focus on anything because of the position he plays, and he still has improved on a lot of that since coming to Houston, I don't understand the need to not look at things holistically. Why does this even matter his improvement and numbers are not solely dependent on him anyway, and he still has time to improve even further he has played less than 2 full years of games against NBA talent.
So these are the only things you could bring up and characterize it as "across the board improvement"? Rebounding? For a guard? Here's his eFG% year by year: .504, .411, .511 career average .505 league average .533 If you call dropping from .504 to .411 then bouncing back to .511 (while the league average is .533) as "improvement," then I don't know what improvement means. I already said his 3p% had improved (but it has been wildly inconsistent throughout his career). Here is his 3pt% year by year: .335, .311, .375 career average .352 league average .358
I give up. Not playing a game of pick the relevant stat with you. No NBA player has improved every stat year to year, but for some reason that's the standard KPJ is being held too. I get it he is a bum and should be nowhere near this roster, he is a team cancer that is irredeemable.
Being over dramatic. It is factually inaccurate to claim his numbers are “up across the board”. It is factually accurate that his numbers are actually down in many areas. The first person to question you on the validity of your statement @harold bingo was not being combative, nor was he claiming KPJ to be a bum that should be out of the league, nor did he(or anyone for that matter) say KPJ HAD to have improved in EVERY single stat. Only a question to your claim. Also the numbers various people are posting : points, assists, scoring efficiency stats. These aren’t cherry picked or in any way irrelevant. They are universally used numbers to judge a players ability. It’s ok to be excited about the potential. Some people just aren’t interested in these definitive claims that aren’t backed in reality. He has shown some really good potential as a shooter, but he has not proven it over any reasonable sample size to claim that he is already there. But there are some here claiming that he is already there. He has shown some improvement in some areas, but there’s no way to seriously sell the claim that his “numbers up across the board”.
eFG and 3p% are traditional box score stats. Him being in the league for three years shows the trend. I wouldn't call that cherry picking. It's couple of categories I look first when skimming any NBA player. Cherry picking could be only higlighting catch and shoot out of the full 3p category, but not mentioning the other types. Not to rehash... the previous posts and discussion had enlightened folks on the volume of his different 3pt types. As well as how open he was and the clutch time made baskets. And Bradeaux apparently also made a math mistake on the 7% open attempt. As far as being fans, we can all like a specific player, as they don't have to be perfect and is still a work in progress. But if we're giving grades on a player, we should account holistically and give as honest picture as possible. We can root for a player even if their grade is a B, C or D, but we shouldn't give an inaccurate grade because we like a player.
That's the biggest issue with fanboys, they live in the dramatic and when you say anything contrary to their beliefs, you are either cherry picking, biased, or stupid when if fact, those are all the attributes they exhibit especially when doubling down after being called out. On the plus side, it gives us hilarious gems like "Hakeem was a head case too!" or "KPJ will average <insert historically never done stat line> next season!".
100% He does have time to improve and I expect he will. Probably would have already been extended if it wasn't for possible character concerns and there are legit concerns. People can debate that fact all they want, but it's real. Hopefully he's past all that and he has a great year. Improves across the board and our team takes a step forward as a result.
