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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

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    Yes and not all 3's are created equal. Step backs 3's have a higher level
    of difficulty since they are considered fade away shots....and fade away
    shots have a higher degree of difficulty.

    As opposed to CnS 3's where you just.....catch.....and......shoot.
    One should already have a bearing on the rim prior to catch and
    release.

    If Sengun did more CnS 3's and shot about 37% on 3's for the year....that
    would be a good thing. Unfortunately he didn't. But I don't sit here saying he
    won't improve his 3-pt shot.

    Being shy at the FT line doesn't mean anything. In the heat of game moment
    any such phobias seem to disappear with Porter at the 3-pt line.
    How many game winners did he have compared to other Rockets?

    Not directed to you Bobby.....meant for those coming after you.
     
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    Did u dummies know Blake Griffin shot 36% from 3 on 7 attempts a game one year? No way a bad shooter is doing that

    here’s so more data for all u nonbelievers

    How dare u call Dion Waiters a bad shooter when he shot 38% from 3 on 7 attempts a game 1 year. Lol at thinking Victor Oladipo isn’t a good shooter, he shot 37% on 6 attempts a game one year u trolls.
     
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    sorry but his overall 3 point percentage is good at 37.5%, it is above league average, and given how much bail out shots he took, it's very good.

    His 2 point percentage is an abysmal 45%, for reference the league average is 53%.

    I don't mind him shooting 482 on catch and shoot and 334 on other 3's. Someone on the team has to take those difficult step backs when shot clock is down, I'd rather it be him or Green
     
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    Lol, damn, who knew Tyreke Evans was a sharpshooter?
     
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    That's true, not all 3's are created equal, KPJ created his own 3 point shot quite often significantly increasing the difficulty.

    When it comes to foolish narratives, the "KPJ is a poor shooter" narrative is one of the most ludicrous. It just means those pushing that kind of BS have nothing legitimate to go on.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    He's not a "sharpshooter", but over the past 4 seasons, he's shot 38% on 5.6 3 point attempts per game....so it's not like he is a terrible shooter, even if he started his career off that way.

    Sometimes players improve. For the first 10 seasons of Jason Kidd's career, he was a 32% 3 point shooter, for the last 9 he was a 37% 3 point shooter.
     
  8. ApacheWarrior

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    You have more patience than me dealing with the crazy narratives.

    The step back three is all the rave of players in the league (and coming into the league)
    and often needs to be perfected over time in live action.

    Harden made it a big thing.

    I'm with you Bobby on this matter.
     
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    I just don't get worked up about unsubstantiated nonsense on the internet. Nothing said here is going to effect anything in the real world.

    At the end of the day, we'll find out soon enough how things play out....let's hope he has another "poor shooting" season where he hits 37% of his 3's.
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Yeah, I'll take 37.5% from 3 on 6.8 attempts per game from most Rockets players.

    Over 70% from the free throw line two years prior to last year.
     
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    Do you have the last half of the season, when JG surpassed KPJ in damn near everything? :)
     
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    Is Eric Gordon a good defender?

    No, he is a GREAT Defender.

    Reducing defense to one number is similar to watching a WNBA game, impossible!
     
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    Just remember that you fought for C-Wood until the bitter end.

    C-Wood is a bonafide scrub, btw.

    KPJ has a chance to break out of that trend, but he too could go the way of the squid.

    Jalen Green, Alperen Sengun, and Jabari Smith Jr. (all currently better basketball players than KPJ) are the future. Get out of the way, or GTFO. C-Wood was the first to go, and we are far better for it. Hopefully KPJ recognizes his strengths and falls in line.
     
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    Would either of you be pleased if, at the end of year 4, he had a 53% TS and shot 37% from 3?
     
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    Wood was clearly garbage from the moment he signed. I wanted his ass gone within a month of his signing, it was clearly a bust. However, there's almost no chance that Jabari is better this season then KPJ, that would be stunning.
     
  16. ApacheWarrior

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    Harold.....Porter was playing PG for the first time in his career [full season-61 games]

    Porter played SG in Houston in 20/21 according to basketball-reference.com
    It was PG 30% of the time and SG 59% of the time (26 games) .
    Of those 26 games: 12 games were with John Wall hogging the ball next
    to him.

    So in essence Porter was a rookie at Point Guard this past season.
    Would we say TyTy if he had those numbers was done.....couldn't get
    better.....couldn't learn.......couldn't improve?

    Why is Porter capped but rookies like
    Cade Cunningham (.504 TS%)
    Giddey (.478 TS%)
    Suggs (.455 TS%)
    Fultz (.517 TS%) [ first season he played PG....as a Magic ]
    Davion Mitchell (.489 TS%)
    are allowed to grow and have greater potential assigned to them?


    It's not like changing positions from SF to SG.

    PG is expected to direct traffic....read the first tier of defenders.....
    attack while knowing safety valve/kick outs (placement).....engage
    second tier defenders.......hope dumb *** safety valve (Tate/Kenyon)
    don't dive to the rim instead and abandon their post.

    It's not as easy as people here think
     
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    I would hope his TS would improve due to no longer being sounded by scrubs he was having to completely carry.... just like happened at the end of the season.
     
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    Whilst I'm skeptical that Jabari would be better than KPJ this season, it would also be difficult to measure their performances. Ultimately, at least 50% of Jabari's strength is on defense, and defense is much harder to track. KPJ's strength is primarily on offense, so even if Jabari was the best defender in the league day 1 into the season, I doubt his offensive numbers would look as good as KPJ's.
     
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    I'm aware of all the stuff you wrote about Wall and KPJ switching positions, I watched all of last season. You're assuming I don't think he will improve, which isn't true - I never said he can't improve, or won't improve, or that I don't think he'll improve. I'm just asking if you would still be pleased with his performance, and him as a player, if he shot the same as he did in his first three years.

    The reason I don't compare him to rookies is because he wasn't a rookie last year. If any of the players you listed were still in the low 50s, or high 40s in TS in their third year then I'd be worried about that player. I think what you're saying here is that switching positions makes him comparable to rookies, and I just don't agree with that. Even playing a new position, he was still in his third year in the league.

    And nowhere did I suggest it was easy. I know it's not easy.
     
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  20. ApacheWarrior

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    You are saying Porter a SF next to 6'1" Garland and 6'1" Sexton in year
    one was an accurate portrayal of an NBA player
    that
    then comes over to Houston for 26 games as mostly SG
    with a band of misfits like Anthony Lamb, Patton, Spalding,
    one legged Cousins, Christian " I don't want to Roll to the basket "
    Wood, Tate (1st yr), Kenyon (1st year), Nothng Nwaba, Less-than Sterling
    Sterling, DanUel House, seen better days Augustin
    then
    Wholesale changes of Sterling, Augustin, House gone.....in with
    Jalen Green (1st yr SG asked to play PG), Josh Christopher (1st yr),
    Sengun (1st yr), Theis (No Spacing) Theis, I'm still not rolling to the
    Basket C Wood, Still No Nothng Nwaba
    Is
    Indicative of 3 full seasons!?!

    Nah man.....just nah man. We've been taking and shuffling the
    deck so much that nobody has true stats the past two season.

    I judge Porter jr after his spat with Lucas and he turned off his
    Social media. I don't care for all the white noise prior. During
    that time House, Augustin Theis were gone.......Wood accepted
    the fact that he wasn't going to be traded. Eric Gordon asked not
    to be traded as well.

    You can see all that stuff as pure.....I do not. I see it as a bunch
    of Fubar nonsense.n

    During that stretch of 39 games after his dust up at halftime.
    Porter was 56% (TS%) .....here are the stats after some clutter (players) removed:

    https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=kevin+porter+jr.+ts%+in+last+39+games
     
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