Exactly. I don't think Brunson is worth $27.7 million.....but the Knicks set the market price with a television deal coming up in 2025. Sexton is 6'1" just like Garland, but Garland played more games and sported a 39 (Ast%). Sexton played 11 games and had a 12 (Ast%). Cavs paid one 6'1" guard over the other; the one that passes. Garland: 39.9 (Ast%) * Porter: 30.7 (Ast%) Brunson: 24.3 (Ast%) Sexton: 11.9 (Ast%) *and Garland was 30.9 in 20/21.....right where Porter was this year. Amazing how stats go up when talent around you gets better. I've said a million times here: "it's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys."
Buddy Hield is making 22Ms per year --- BUDDY HIELD!! Tim Hardaway Jr? 19Ms. Even Caris Levert is getting almost 19 per season. Its not a question of making a similar error to another team its just basic economics of contract negotiations. These things are almost exclusively determined by contemporary earnings in respect to output and statistical similarities. In the case of Brunson NY is just doing NY things. They think they are the smartest talent eval guys so they will overpay to secure the player HOPING he hits those expectations. Its just a revolving door up there with no long term vision. They keep banking on players who they thing are on the verge of busting out. Paying scoot 15 per year neither hinders the cap or makes his contract unmoveable. If anything that contract suddenly becomes great with even marginal improvement. I think Sexton is just a victim of bad timing. He is a good player who may need to bank on himself with a one year deal and let the market readjust.
Buddy Hield has a 21ppg season shooting 46/43/89 when he signed that contract. He looked to be the closest thing Sac would get to a Steph/Klay type of star. Still was an overpay, but he looked legit. He's actually a good example of the ceiling you put on your team when you draft mid players and then give them big money (although he was actually traded his rookie season in the Cousins deal).
Yeah, Forbes (Sept 19, 2021) put out a good bit. I didn't see a pay wall (just a survey) so I hope it's ok to link https://www.forbes.com/sites/morten...ming-nba-teams-could-spend-big-on-extensions/
So he looked legit doing that on a losing team but since KPJ does it on a losing team those numbers don't mean anything? Does not matter if it was an overpay it set the market and nobody signs below market value, do you want to talk about all the other examples that have been listed. It's funny that the only thing you listed is shooting numbers and never mentioned how much better KPJ is at everything else, especially defense.
Yup --- 175M salary cap is almost certain at this point with the new TV deal. Guys will need to modify their thought process regarding dollar amounts in player contracts.
Yeah I'm guessing Porter/agent isn't accepting less than $20M right now. [ my Rockets offer right now would be $15M to $18M ] If I'm his agent that's what I would be advising him. Someone is going to pay a 6'5", ambidextrous, consistent 3-pt shooter with an Ast% between 30-39%.
WTF are you talking about? I never said they offered a contract, but do you actually think they would not trade a 1st for KPJ? This entire thread is speculation, but for some reason you got an issue with me speculating. The way some of y'all feel some kind of way about KPJ is astounding.
A common sense concept that only dumb people can’t understand, because we’ll it’s dumb. Dumb minds think alike
Thats the catch. How much do they think he's worth? Obviously an agent will try to pry as much as possible, but will Scoot have any loyalty in terms of the franchise that "saved his life" How much does he want to be a part of the core vs just securing a bag? 20 per season NOW may be a turn off. For whatever reason 15 just feels right for both parties. Guys shooting for 10 or less are masking a bias within the lowball offer.
How do you know that no team would offer a 1st? So you can speculate about something, but I can't give my opinion, what makes your opinion more worthy? Why would the Lakers not offer a 1st for KPJ they are desperate for talent, and they could resign him under the bird rights. All signings are gambles KPJ is not far out risk no matter how you keep talking about him. I am not turning a blind eye to his past problems, but you are turning a blind eye to all the positives he has had since that incident and want to base everything on that, why?
I agree, $17M to $18M (with the first year being $15M) seems good to me. But $20M to $30 buys a lot of new loyalty and home.... unfortunately. Here is a video of Porter in PnR made over a year ago. Now that we have willing screeners.....this will come more into play this year. All of these wide open 3-pt shooters above the break.....picture Tari/Jabari. Passes to the FT line elbow....picture P-n-Pop with Jabari. I expect a break out season.
We don't know if he has made any mistakes because he has only been on the job a year and the jury is still out on the picks. We do know he offered Oladipo, the max and that was certainly a mistake a potential franchise killing mistake, so let's tap the brakes on all the Stone love.
You can talk about the other examples if you want. The fact that Parsons got a big contract (which was a definite overpay) doesn't mean that the Rockets should have signed him for that much. Sometimes, the best move is to let someone go instead of overpay. And I quoted the numbers that got Hield paid. I wasn't trying to make a comparison between very different players (even if they are similar size, the skillset is different). Hield was (still is, to a lesser extent) a very, very efficient player. KPJ, as you say, is better than Hield at a number of things, but efficiency is not one of those. He is also much younger than Hield was when he signed that extension, so there's that.
I have no idea what any of this has to do with what I have been saying? My point is its all a crapshoot at the end of the day, KPJ is like everybody else, most of the time you overpay, that's just life in the NBA.
You just commented above on Stone making a max offer to Oladipo. Thank god he didn't. Huge overpay. That would have been a terrible deal. Sure it's all a crapshoot but, just like in craps or blackjack, there are good bets and bad ones. You increase your chances by making sound bets.
Yo! I'm not ignoring the positives. I've posted over and over to extend him. I see both sides and hope to wake up soon reading they've got it done.
Great post. Loving the homegrown dynasty talk. Agree the next few FA classes are nothing to bank on. By the time a good one comes up it will be our own guys class and they're going to need that space for sure. They should get it done.
