To extend KPJ or not?

Yeah, I could definitely see a team giving a 1st for KPJ, why are you acting like a 1st is some prized possession?

If it's not in the upper lottery that pick is a crapshoot and KPJ is not currently a crapshoot, the only thing that teams would be wary about is that he is due a big contract, it's humourous you think he is not worth a 1st, the lakers would love to trade a 1st for a guy KPJ.

 

You have no idea if Smith is good enough to not be replaced with another top 5 pick, You don't care if another guy overlaps with these guys because you need multiples of these types of players and the can play together for a large part of the time.

Yes KPJ has exceeded both Green and Smith and it's not even a debate If I had to hypothetically "choose a guy" I am going with KPJ over Smith not that I think Smith is a scrub I just think KPJ is going to be a more impactful player going forward.

Any future rookie can take precedent over any of these guys nobody has claimed franchise status yet, it's amazing you seem to think Green has proven he shoud be the alpha on this team, the jury is still way out on that.

Its crazy that you think anybody on this team has proven they are somebody that needs to be the precedent, both Wembeyana and Scoot could be better than Green and be that guy.

Yes KPJ has solidified his role in the NBA over Smith and Green so far neither has shown anything better than KPJ.

Since when do we care who has "solidified" a role on the worst team in NBA?

 

This should shut everybody up.

KPJ is at least comparable DR.

 

No, he will not become dead salary if he has an "incident" just look at the history of the NBA.

So if he gets 4/60 a year later and has an "incident" that changes what?

 

In all seriousness are you serious?

 

Jiggly meltdown. Par for the course

 

The logic is thats is what those types of players make and it's what KPJ agent is going to compare him to.

Do you not understand how contract negotiations work?

Yes, I can ask you the same thing.

 

Stop making sht up. No team has yet offered a first for kpj. Speculating sht to push your stance

 

C'mon man. The only truth to this is that the lower half of lottery can be a crapshoot. That's it.


- If shopped no team would give up a 1st for him rt now.

- KPJ is a crapshoot. Past proves it. No one can know for sure 100% that he will not be an issue again going foward. You think the Rox aren't concerned with it?

- Teams including Rox have reasons to be wary about him beyond a "big contract".

- Plus he hasn't earned a BIG contract yet.

- It's not humorous that people don't think he's worth a 1st. Because it's a fact. Due to the crapshoot.

- The lakers would give up a 1st. You know this how?

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He's talented. He's improved plenty. He deserves an extension and will get one, but it is a gamble. A crapshoot whatever you want to call it. The people making these decisions don't just turn a blind eye to past problems. I'm sure you can find instances that's happened, but even then it was a gamble.

They should give him a fair offer. If he accepts it great. If not he plays for a bigger one.

 

On one hand you say “The should give up a 1st. You know this how?” On the other hand, You say with conviction that “if shopped no team would give up a 1st for him rt now”. What a hypocrite! You don’t know about either scenario, but act like you do. Given Lebron’s statements, I would suggest that LA would give up the 2027 pick for him in a second, however, I’m not arrogant enough to think I know.

 

If the lakers would give up unprotected 2027 1st for KPJ, it would be malpractice to not do that trade

 

I think KPJ has earned himself a nice extension. I do believe he has all the tools to be a great player - though I‘d rather see him in the Ginobili 6th man role. I think most of his problems are in his head - similar to Wood, who had all the physical tools to become an all-star. But I do believe there is a greater chance that KPJ changes than Wood. I hope he betters himself now that Wood is gone and Smith seems to take the much more serious and ambitious attitude to the team.

The problem is, how much is too much? I‘d go up to 15m per year - maybe even up to 20 million, but then I would need to see some more maturity from him to start the season and see him improving his game even more. I don‘t see him as our 3d star going forward, but I do see him as a great piece to build this team.

 

You are mistaken. If you read what I was responding to then re-read what I wrote. You will see I never said he was worth a first.

Now, would he be if not for the character concerns (which it appears he has gotten past) then yes I believe so, but at this time, due to those concerns I do not think teams would do it. If you think the Rox are not including those concerns in determining whether to extend him and for how much, you are fooling yourself. Any smart business professional would.

Keep in mind he has not had an incident free season since before college. Also, if the concerns did not exist and were so easily wiped under the rug, he would still be with the Cavs or whatever team had drafted him higher in that draft before he fell to Cleveland. Once he puts together a season or two with no problems, the concerns will fade away.

I'm still in the extend him camp. Think they should offer him a fair, short term deal, that he can sign or choose to play out for a better one.

 

Yes, I understand contract negotiations work both ways. You don't agree with whatever the agent says, especially about dumb contracts everybody knows are mistakes.

 

There is no "penalty" for failing to reach the salary floor other than the players on the roster share the difference between your spending and the floor.

Going into next year, I'd be spending on top quality FA's , bringing in high quality players via trade OR sitting on that cap space and letting my roster reap the financial rewards while I wait for the right player to spend that big money on to transform this franchise into a contender.

They'll have $71M to spend with KPJ's cap hold of $9.65m and just short of $81m if they renounce him. That's two max FA's to add to Porter, Smith, Tate, Sengun & Eason.

Best thing is, you don't have to spend it this offseason - you have another offseason if you want to wait for better options.

No, a bad deal just becomes a little less bad ....

 

The same people suggesting KPJ shouldn't get 15 mil a year will be looking to throw even more than that at mediocre FA's next year. It's just irrational.

We'll see where Stone is at soon enough, he has a pretty poor track record outside of the draft, so I'm not overly enthusiastic but I'm open to him possibly exceeding expectations.

 

This one made me laugh.

Did the Wiz just give up a quarter billion for Monta Ellis?
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2022...ds-just-give-a-quarter-billion-to-monta-ellis

Money and salaries are fixing to get crazy.

 

Ya the next FA class sucks, I’d much rather use the space to trade for bad contracts and get more assets but we will see. Has stone made any mistakes really? Outside of DT who got dumped immediately?

 

The "penalty" is having to distribute that money evenly among all your signed players instead of just paying your senior guys fair market value and actually building something. 44Ms is a pretty penny - you still have to dole it out why not keep a vital player happy? Especially if you can do it cheaper now vs later.

There are no names worth the would be asking price in free agency for a few years in my opinion so you would be looking at the trade market exclusively to find these franchise altering talents. Jalen, Sengun, JC will all be coming up for raises with Jabari and Eason next. That needs to be accounted for when thinking the cap space will be the wild card when thinking about possible trades. Im fine with FA shopping, but from what I gather on your side is that you think a player or two on another team will make this team a contender and I happen to think we can homebrew the dynasty and just add some specialists along the way via FA. I genuinely feel the players we have are good enough and with some experience the construct makes sense. When its time to win finding a premier head coach would be of more value if these guys pan out like I think they will. Even with all that the hard stop for you is 6-7M annually on KPJ how does that ruin the cap?

Im perfectly fine waiting til next year on extending Scoot, but If he plays himself into a 25M+ per year player I hope he will get more support. Something tells me that wont be the case, but to each his own. Should be a fun season of basketball nevertheless.

 

Bingo! KPJs agent will just walk into the office with a manila folder full of head shots of players like Kentavious Caldwell Pope, Kyle Kuzma, Jordan Clarkson, Luke Kennard, Kevin Huerter, Derek Rose, Malik Beasley, Derek White, Markelle Fultz, Evan Fournier etc etc and then just sit there with a sht eating grin.