A contract like this that includes a PO on the 3rd is fair for all. I'd probably go more like 3/36, but it's still fair and one heck of a raise.
C'mon, anything more than 3 years 2 million dollars and we need to pass. Trolls, am I doing it right?
There is no such thing as a KPJ only fan, there are only ROCKET fans who think KPJ is a valuable piece. Trying the us vs them thing is just weak and lazy, stick to memes. DD
Never time to put the Iron Wolf away - but your post was divisive - it is not a KPJ only vs KPJ Haters thing, it literally is an ASSININE argument where most of us would actually agree that he can get a small extension now if it is below market value, or he can prove himself this year and let the market set the rate. I think that most of us see it that way........ What this is.......IS SUMMER BOREDOM - we are all jonesing for some real bball news, this is all just a waste of server space, and time...... But I do like the images....those are genuinely funny. DD
They can't seem to understand. This is not about saving Tilman's money. It's about avoiding deadweight contracts on your roster. We don't want to create another Ryan Anderson situation where we have to give up asset after asset just to get rid of his contract. A more recent (and more extreme) example is Westbrook. Although the Rockets did not give him the contract he had, they acquired him thinking he was worth that money. When they realized that he was not worth it, the only thing we could get from trading him was another deadweight contract in Wall. Well, LeBron was dumb enough to take Westbrook from WAS and now they are stuck with him. LOL. But Westbrook at least has the MVP reputation to fool people. If KPJ gets a big contract and does not pan out, he will be something like Duncan Robinson or Joe Harris. You have to beg people to take him off your hands.
12 is a bit low, rookies get 10, I think it would take a bit closer to 15 to even start the conversation for a discount early deal. Next year he'd be in line for closer to 20 with even a solid season because that's just the going rate for average NBA starting PG's Players typically don't leave that much money lying on the table. Also I think a team option is by far more likely than a player option
Yeah if they wait, he improves and has no issues along the way it'll be a big bump. If he does those things AND as a result they start winning (big if due to avg age) the absolute lowest starting point would be the 20 or more. Lot of ifs there, but will be fun to watch.
I was thinking something similar, starting at his cap hold of $9.65m in year 1 with a team option for year 3, that ends up around 3/32. Otherwise, I'm content letting him hit RFA and either matching a reasonable offer or letting him go if I feel the offer is too much. Too much. For those making something out of "Saving Tilman's money" ..... Its not about "his money", it's about not screwing up the cap and then you are left giving away assets to clean up mistakes rather than using those assets to make your roster better. And No, we don't "need contracts to make trades" we have cap space.
Shoot if he'll sign a 3/32 with a TO on the 3rd even better. Sign me up. Tilman's a billionaire, not worried about his $ in the least.
After all the dead money comes off the books how do you propose reaching the salary floor? Free agents? Basic premise still remains. You don't seem to think he’s either good enough or worth the risk. Saying a 60M figure on this team is skewing the cap is disingenuous. It’s the way the cookie crumbles KPJ is due up. You want a bargain contract when the team will already have tons of room. I don’t buy the position. No offense. As of right now there is 44Ms needed to reach the salary floor for 2023. If not Scoot who else are you proposing to pay? Jalen? Sengun? Have you seen the free agent market after this season? Again I’m not buying the finances. I’m cool with y’all saying he’s not worth it and then listing off the basketball and trust reasons but saying it’s cap related doesn’t fly for me. I’m here for the genuine discussion for whoever wants to have it.
One step further any perceived bad contract NOW instantly becomes a value deal when the cap spikes in the next 2-3 seasons when new TV deal kicks in. I’m basing all this on the very fair number for both team and player of 15Ms per year when canvassing other players who earn that amount.
He had enough "court vision" to average 6 assists a game on a team who had poor spacing and below average 3 point shooting. Oh yeah that team also was about average in PPG but somehow his assist can be discounted from the "eye test"
