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To be honest, offense is a mess for Rockets!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by legendlau, Jan 20, 2003.

  1. DieHard Rocket

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    Unbelievable. They score over 100 points, and beat the 3-time defending champions and we still have people whining about the offense. As long as we win enough to get to the playoffs, I don't care how it's done.

    Once the playoffs arrive, Rudy knows what to do...he will get it through to his players to dump it down to Yao and run the offense around him.
     
  2. Timing

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    Only RudyT would try to build a motion offense based on dribbling. LOL Geez...
     
  3. Jeff

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    Technically, it is built around exploiting the defense by finding the open man. It is just set up by penetration and double teams because our scoring strength is currently in our backcourt.
     
  4. Yetti

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    We do need to improve,especially involving more players in the offence. Although we are showing that we have improved and will continue to do so!
     
  5. DreamWeaver

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    Motion offense based on dribbling. Talk about an oxymoron. ;)

    What we have right now is a motion-less offense. One guy has the ball and the other four just watch. Somebody wake Rudy up.
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    I don't think Rudy ever called it a motion offense, I've always heard him say movement offense. I think people still got confused because they didn't know what a "movement offense" was. Unfortunately, sometimes his players don't either.:D
     
  7. Rileydog

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    I'm generally the first to bash our guards and last to praise, but I have to disagree . . . at least as to the Laker's game. Yao wasn't a primary option in the 2nd half. For whatever reason, likely fatigue from fighting Shaq's fat arse, Yao was not hitting his shots. He got a decent number of touches, which is the key. MoTay was outmatched athletically, so he wasn't an option either. Griffin was hurt, otw, he could have been used. Francis used Yao as a pick and decoy, which was the best use for the 2nd half.
     
  8. xiki

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    Rox won the rebounding stats. And the game.
     
  9. Uprising

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    THe rockets have won six of their last seven...exact same as the Spurs.

    So whatever the rockets are doing.....it appears to be working.

    Just remember that the team is very young...and have new players such as Yao and Posey, and are trying to see how they can fit into new offensive set ups. Through time...i think in a few weeks...the rocks will look better than they do now. But with out the looks....now the rockets are still doing great.

    I like the plays RT has right now, and new ones popping up now and then will be great. I love that inlet pass...Yao pick...stevie 3.
     
  10. LiTtLeY1521

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    didn't we go deep into the playoffs with Charles??? It worked with Hakeem..........

    we just need to get better chemistry and teach yao to pass out to open men.....but the other players have to get open...

    I don't see anything wrong. As long as everyone makes their shots and there is not another KNICKS game at home. We need to alter it a little bit. It's working for now...
     
  11. heypartner

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    You are not following what I'm saying or the interview Rudy had that you quoted from. The set is called a Double High Post, and the play is a Double High Post PnR. Yao is not receiving the ball in the high post. Yao is making a pick, and then pushes his way into the lane for an entry pass about 6' in front of the rim in the middle of the lane. This is not the PnR, as this is a double high set, and if Francis can't make the pass right away, he passes it to the other high post player to make the pass to Yao.

    This is exactly what you heard Rudy mention. This has been going on since December. This is not up for debate as far as I'm concerned. You are not wrong T_J, you are just a month late.
     
  12. Fegwu

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    To be fair to Rudy and the Rockets, the team took what the Lakers gave to them. For some weird reason (maybe it is their style of play) the lakers played the Rockets one-on-one the whole game. So with Eddy, Mobley and Posey not hitting their shots consistenty well early, the Rockets settled for the 2-man game. The Zen master taught that Kobe (the great man-to-man defender) could shot Francis down but it back fired in their face.

    Though the style of play was not pretty to see sometimes, we able to limit those paintful dumb decision making save for the 2 of our 3 possessions the later part of the 4th quarter.

    The Rockets game will hardly mirror that of the Nets, Kings or Mavericks become we have a force in the middle and they really do not save for the pretenders (downlow pretenders) in the Kings Webber and Nets Martin. But our game will be an advanced version of the the Hakeem Rockets which starts inside-out.
     
  13. pasox2

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    Here's some motion tips :

    http://basketball.lifetips.com/PPF/scid/67692/TipSC.asp

    let me repeat a few :

    Entering Motion Offense
    If ball is at the top of the key, screen down or back screen for a teammate on either side of the floor

    FREEZE THE ZONE
    FREEZE THE ZONE defense by taking 1 or 2 dribbles AT a defender then pass inside or kick it to the perimeter for a jump shot. After the zone has shifted, use pass fakes & shot fakes.
    Remember the 3 D’s-Drive, Draw, Dish.

    Learning a new offense
    As you are going through any new offense or play, players should "ball fake" at each cutter so they are used to looking at all options in sequential order.

    MAKE THE ZONE RUN
    MAKE THE ZONE RUN via the PASS, move the basketball quickly, don‘t hold it any longer than a ball fake, seal, skip, and swing.

    Motion Offense- cut backdoor
    If you are overplayed and cannot catch the basketball, change directions and make a quick cut to the basket(called a backdoor cut) or go screen for someone and try to help them get open.

    Motion Offense-don´t stand still!
    If you don´t have the ball, a good rule to remember is, "don´t stand". Cut to the basket or go screen for someone. If you are under the basket(in "the post")
    post up for a 2 count - then turn and go screen for someone else.

    Motion Offense-dribbling
    Motion offense is also called "passing game". Dribbling should be kept to a minimum. Use the dribble to only to improve the passing angle, drive to basket or to get out of trouble.


    Motion offense-help you teammates get open
    If a player has the basketball at the top of the key, the other players could set a down screen or back screen on each side of the floor. This could help get their teammates open for a pass

    Motion Offense-keep the ball moving
    Every time you catch the basketball, if you don´t have a shot or a drive, hold it for a 2 count and look to pass quickly to the other players who are cutting to the basket or using screens

    Motion Offense-screen away
    If basketball is passed to the wing, screen away for a player who is closer to the baseline than you are. This will get him open on the perimeter and may leave you open inside

    Motion Offense-spacing
    When running a motion offense, the players should make sure that they have proper spacing. Players should not be any closer to each other than 12 to 15 feet.This makes sure that one defender cannot guard two players. It also makes the defense move with every pass that you throw. You can use the three point arc(which is about 20 feet from the basket) to help you with proper spacing

    Motion Offense-What if they "switch" screening
    If the defense switches defenders during a screen, the screener could step back toward the ball to get open for a pass. If you know they are going to switch, you may try to "slip the screen" and at the last second cut to the basket instead

    PATIENCE AGAINST THE ZONE
    Show some PATIENCE against the zone defense. Move the basketball, move players, look for cutters, check all options-in order. Take the high percentage shots that you want to take WHEN you want to take them

    Protect the screener
    The screener should protect the lower body with flexed knees and waist and protect the upper body with slightly extended arms to absorb the shock . Be careful not to move or push off with your arms to avoid being called for a foul.

    SCREENTHE ZONE
    Inside players should look to SCREEN THE ZONE. After the zone defense has shifted, the posts can screen IF the defense is between the offensive player and the basket. This will free the perimeter player on that side for a shot. If the defender BREAKS THROUGH the screen, the post player should rescreen the next man in the zone, and pivot while looking for the ball

    SEAL THE ZONE
    Inside players should look to SEAL THE ZONE. After the zone defense has shifted the posts can seal or screen high or low IF the defense is INSIDE the offense.
    Reseal the next man in the zone after the defender BREAKS the seal.

    Timing of the screen
    To ensure proper timing, the user of the screen should plant a foot at the exact time that the screener hop stops to set the screen. The user should then come off the screen tight enough to touch the screener. Rub shoulders , “swim” off the screen, or “sandwich” the screener and the defender, and then sprint directly to the shot-spot.

    Using Screens
    When using a screen, first set your defender up by walking the defender away from the shot-spot. Then, you want to make the defense easy to screen by bringing the defense to a stop. Try to make them turn their head by faking a move in the opposite direction, just as your teammate is setting the screen

    Good, solid basketball tips. Bobby Knight is the motion guru. But is this team a Bobby Knight team? IF this is where we're going, we're really looking at more of a curl offense than p&r. Is Yao best used as a 7'5", 300lb screen for a SF jumper? Motion gets you jumpers and backdoors. It's not a big man set. It takes practice and Bobby Knight-style discipline and smarts to make those reads and wait wait wait for the good look. We really don't have that kind of vision and skillset. Bad motion is an ugly perimeter weave and lots of turnovers. I'd personally rather see
    high post UCLA, for the future. But I'll admit this can work, and work beautifully, for lots of good, easy baskets against Zones. I'm not sure it's the best set for us, or that we've got the discipline to make 4 passes and have 4 guys with 4 reads. I am calling for Cat curls the rest of the way! Guy is money off a pick with quick stutter and quick release; good backdoor. Not so good w the dribble dribble, waive off team, dribble, 3 defenders, stutter, falling-down yack. I can't find that play in any handbooks ;).
     
  14. LiTtLeY1521

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    ...good tips
     
  15. Easy

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    One more thing to add: outlet passes and transition game

    The LA announcers noted Yao's outlet passes. Yao after grabbing the defensive rebound, would immediately turn around looking for his streaking teammates near mid-court. One of the passes hit Mobley and resulted in Mobley going all the way for a layup.

    When I re-watched the game, I noticed that even Cato was doing the same thing. Grab the rebound. Immediately look for the guards or SF skreaking outward. One time that resulted in a steal by Kobe. (He liked to sneak back and intercept the pass when the big man was trying to make the outlet pass in a hurry.) I also noticed that Yao was generally able to pass the ball farther down court than Cato. Several times, he could hit the teammate near mid-court fairly quickly. I don't know, maybe it's because Yao has better vision than Cato?

    Also, with Posey in the game instead of Rice, we have 3 guys who can be released right after the rebound is secured. With one more guy who can run is good because a lot of the time at least one of the faster players might not be in the position to be released. With 3 fast players on the floor, we can have at least 1, most of the times 2, guys running out.

    Rudy said the game plan was to run against the Lakers. The big guys were obviously instructed to make the outlet pass as fast as possible to initiate the transition game. With Posey running and Yao having good vision, this will greatly enhance our transition game.
     

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