[TMZ]James Harden went to the strip club at 1:45 AM after OT loss

I agree but all I'm saying is that we are killing harden today because he went to a strip club after a loss... he's done this ever since he came to Houston and now people complain? if he was performing at the same mvp level he was last year then this thread wouldn't exist... it would be merited if those same people were killing him last year as well... the fact that we are underperforming as a team this year they are using this as an excuse for why harden is underperforming is a bad excuse and a reach... I'll admit his defense and TOs are hurting the team so critize him for that... but him going out after a game doesn't effect his game and shouldn't be something to complain about

 

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Since he had the next day off, it doesn't bug me that much either. But when he does this when there is a game the next day...especially a playoff game, then it's a legitimate complaint.

 

it happens. of coz. i just dont think its the right thing to do, in b/w games. no matter if its strip clubs or gambling, no matter if its magic, mj, barkley, or harden.

for harden, given how he's doing and how his team is doing, going to the club that late after a hard ot loss, certainly wasnt the right thing for him to do.

there are lot of things i dont agree with or like. they happen or exist anyway. and i have no power to change that. things like the ever-increasing tix prices, things like the ever-increasing sense of entitlement of the spoiled players, things like some nba rule changes... otoh, i can indeed come to a message/fan board to express my unhappiness, cant i?

 

i thought i had already answered your silly scenarios?

we're talking about the ROUTINES in b/w games during a season. having babies, or some unexpected events etc are different, arent they? bev the other day missed games becoz his grandma was very sick, and i didnt see no one complaining.

and there're dedicated times for a team and its players to do charity work throughout the season. you know that.

again, no one is saying going to clubs has made harden a bad/worse player. but what he did/does in b/w games quite so often is for sure not the best way how pro athlete should handle in-b/w-game routines. i dont think that's debatable.

 

Look buddy, I have nothing against you. I also don't think I'm a lazy poster for calling Harden out, but you're welcome to your opinion. You're a Harden fan, I assume. So am I. I was a rabid supporter of the Beard all last year, and like most of the board I am extremely disappointed by 2015-6. Why? Because, like most people here, first and foremost I am a Rockets fan and have been as long as I have watched basketball. So, if I am upset that Harden has decided to stop playing defense for huge lengths of time, complains that he is fatigued because of high minute loads and then parties at the club every chance he gets (including before pivotal playoff games), and has been circumstantially called out by teammates and coaches (McHale, JBB, etc...) alike , I think that my opinion is fair. You may disagree with my opinion, and you may even take offense to the fact that I hold Harden accountable for his regression. Perhaps I am unfair in expecting Harden to equal or exceed his play and determination from 2014-5.

And, with regards to your ad hom arguments about my laziness, if what you're looking for is a firm statement from teammates or coaches that Harden is lazy and needs to get his butt out of the club and onto the practice floor, you'll never get that because he is the franchise guy and he's getting paid max money and he's the one guy that won't get shipped out if chemistry is bad. And because he is the franchise guy, he should be held to a higher standard than say, Ariza, who is also having a worse season than in 2014-5. So, what I'm putting forth in my posts is not rumor or malicious or disrespectful towards Harden. It's a statement of fact - the Rockets are underperforming with respect to their talent, and their leader isn't setting a good example. Perhaps Harden will never be that guy, but I'm willing to give him a chance. I'm not willing to remain silent when his on- and off-court behavior suggests that he is content with his money and status rather than getting a ring.

 

You're not big on answering questions I see. But basically when you guys meet a logical and sensible statement or question you just respond with "You're just a HOF" lol. I've defended everyone on this team aside from Brewer. I'm a Houston Rockets fan. I've also had my own criticism's for Harden based on facts some of you guys should try that method sometimes.

 

I didn't specifically call you a Harden only fan. I never said you weren't a Rockets fan. I'm simply said you were a Harden fan, which I gathered from your spirited defense of his off court behavior. It's cool though, I have nothing against people going out and having a good time, but I do have something against people going out and having a good time and then not giving 100% at their day job. Not sure what question you're looking for me to answer at this point, nor do I understand why you imply that my opinion of Harden's behavior is illogical, but perhaps its best to agree to disagree.

 

You don't know because you are not trying to know because you've proven wrong long ago. You already admitted that your rantings aren't based on fact the conversation was over then. I'm not defending his private life I don't care what he does privately rather I'm just calling you out on your made up BS.

 

Money and stats. That's all he could about. Couldn't care less about winning.

 

Sure thing buddy. Not sure where I was proven wrong, or where I was ranting. I think I made a cogent point and I think you're fixated on ad hom arguments. Have a nice day.

 

Wasn't it reported that Ewing spent too much money at strip clubs? They didn't make as much money back then.

 

If he put all his energy on strippers, how could he keep focus on the court?

 

I do not see where the problem lies here if you like Harden. Why not I mean.

The media gives him an F (fail) on the season and his playoff performance wasn't all that positive either

You will be disappointed. I am sure. Harden does not care that much about his "fans" other than if you are female and have a big booty.

The only hope for you is that he has something to prove, finds his purpose and enlightens.

 

hmmm he also has no rings . Starting to see a pattern

 

Haven't made the WCF in like...2 decades. Now it's no biggie. Got it.

Newsflash, Harden is already more of a winner and accomplished than Yao ever was. Better person and symbol? Of course not. Better basketball player? Um, yeah. Arguing otherwise is insane.

It's cool though, let's just ship him off for draft picks or something. Players of Harden's caliber come along every draft.

Seriously it's like people completely forgot the basketball purgatory we were in before the Beard got here.

 

He has been doing this for years. There have been other reports since his first year here that he would frequent strip clubs after games.

 

Harden had more lackluster games than good games in the Rocket's WCF run.

I attribute their playoff run more on Dwight and an epic Clipper meltdown with a dash of Josh Smith.

 

The ultimate cure for tired legs is to pay for strippers to use theirs,,

 

Not even close. Had the one game against the Clips where McHale rode a streaky Smith and two against GS. The last one was bad, probably the worst game of his career but we weren't coming back to win that series against that team.