TMac vs Kobe: TMac has confidence in his teammates

I think Kobe would trust Yao more because Yao is a very reliable scorer once he gets the ball closer to the basket. Of course then P. Jackson would ask Kobe to share the ball. The ball game would completely different, and the Lakers would be the 4th or 5th seed.

 

Yes, T-mac's career assist is 4.6 assists/game, Kobe is 4.5 assists/game. So I guess you are saying, that 0.1 assist makes the whole difference.

Well, also Tmac passed the ball out of Orlando to Houston, and in order to protect his reputation, he tried to score more.

Anyway, talent wise, there is not much difference between Tmac and Kobe, but the difference now is that Tmac has a big guy helping him with scoring wise and anchoring the defense as well. Kobe does not have one and Lakers interior defense is not as good.

 

there's a difference between throwing it to a teammate b/c the defense has trapped you and have no other choice (kobe) and actually trying to create a play for a teammate and get him an open basket (tracy).

 

McGrady's and Kobe's career have a weird mirror image. You can compare Tmac with in his Orlando days with Kobe from right now, and present Tmac with the Shaq era Kobe (hopefully the championships will follow for Tmac as well). However, there is no doubt in my mind that Tmac is a better all around player and teammate right now then Kobe. The ultimate proof is our record with out Yao (20-10 with Tmac, he missed two losses). Compare our lineups without Yao:
Rafer is almost identical to Smush, except he has fewer turnovers, but is a worse 3 point shooter- tie.
Battier is a defensive force, but only averages 10 points a game, comparable to Brian Cook, but advantage Battier.
Juwon vs Odom is a pretty clear advatage for LA, as Juwon can pretty much only score on open jumpers with the ocassinal hook shot.
Deke is a rebounder but a offensive liability. Kwame and Bynum arnt as good defenders but better scorers-tie.

So with pretty much the same talent, Tmac lead us to a 20-10 record with a .667 winning percentage, while the Lakers, lead by Kobe and hall of famer Phil Jackson as coach, barely reached .500. Kobe can score all he wants, but if anything, it hurts his team.

 

are you guys serious? I would take the Lakers scrubs over our scrubs anyday....


I dont get to watch every Laker game... but I always check the box scores...

and most everytime I do... I see the Lakers scrubs shooting somthing like

Farmer 4-9
Walton 5-8
Odom 8-16

etc... to me those are great shooting %.... somthing we dont always see with our guys....

 

Well I think Kobe is definitely the better scorer, but T-mac makes his teammates better for sure. I hate when Kobe-lovers say he's better than T-mac just based on scoring and looking at how Kobe gets no help. T-mac makes Chuck Hayes look so good. How? Chuck Hayes's help on D and his rebounding are phenomenal but let's be real he can't create offense for crap. But he gets so many easy buckets thanks to t-mac doin his thing and getting him the ball for an easy lay-up. When has Kobe ever done that? And t-mac gets the ball to battier, luther, and rafer for such good looks at 3's by his penetration. Kobe probably has the better 3 point shooters also. You got vujacic, luke walton, smush parker, radmanovic when he was healthy all who are really good 3 point shooter. But when was the last time you saw Kobe penetrating and kicking it to them for an open look.

 

what's your point ?kobe was never willing to share the ball even when he had shaq.after winning his 1st championship,he began to become selfish and that's why phil jackson and shaq called him out .
and did you watch today's game or did you only check the box score.if you watched it then you must have seen that on odom 8shots made,5 was when he was going to the basket.but again i don't get your point

 

Odom vanishes during crunch time and he's perfectly content with Kobe making the big shots. There's games where he does everything else (assists and boards) and launches a three every now and then.

 

True. People have to beleive Kobe has a higher BB IQ than his ego. He wants to be a winner rather than a good loser. He does not really have much choice with the current team. For a great player like Kobe, even a little help can make a big difference. And Yao can certainly give him more than "a little" help.

I feel really bad for the Lakers watching the game.

 

I found this post on Lakersground.net that perfectly summaries the Lakers:

 

I don't see TMAC has confidence to his teammates when he's in Orando. It really depends on what teammates Kobe or TMac has. When Kobe has Shaq, can't say he don't have confidence, isn't it?

 

Why do people act as if Kobe's teammates are horrible. It's is own fault. People forget that T-Mac had an infinitely worse squad in Orlando than these Lakers.

Who would you prefer

Jacque Vaughn
Jeryl Sasser
Gordan Giricek
Steven Hunter
Darrel Armstrong
Drew Gooden
Andrew DeClerq
Pat Burke
Pat Garrity

or

Lamar Odom
Luke Walton
Kwame Brown
Mo Evans
Smush Parker
Andrew Bynum
Jordan Farmer
Vlad Radmonovic

 

Compare with Lakers in game 1 against Phoenix, Rockets are much better team. We have great chemistry, Kobe looks like a "me against the world" out there.

Kobe is a amazing talent although I don't like him at all. TMac is damn lucky to have guys like Yao and Shane Battier play along side him. Hypothetically, I could imagine a Lakers team with Kobe and Yao would do a lot of damage in the playoff, would not be too far off from Rockets with Yao & TMac this year.

When it's all said and done, it's very hard to argue who's the better player. Both are supremely talented in many aspects of the game. Kobe had Shaq, TMac now has Yao, which I think the combo of TMac & Yao could be better than Shaq & Kobe.

 

It's really bad for the Lakers that Kobe did not trust his wide open team mates. B ball is not a one man's game. But his team mates really suck too (except Lamar), they even did not try open shots and they just kept on passing until the ball was turned over. By watching the game, it seems Kobe has a bad relationship with some of his team mates (at least some).

 

uh u don't think ppl were jealous of kobe having a prime shaq all those yrs? i think tmac would switched places immediately if he could have played with that shaq.

kobe asked for this.

 

I'm surprised tmac still managed to get some assists out of those players.

 

yao+ Kobe>yao+TMac

 

I have watched the last 7 mins. of the game, just felt that it would be so frustrating for his teammates to play along with him. He had zero trust in his teammates, and just jacked up bad shot after bad shot!

I am just so glad that we have TMac instead of Kobe! This is the bottomline of it!

SI

 

I beg to disagree!!!

(See my previous post.)

 

Replace Odom with Battier and the same rings true...yet Shane averages 10 points a game for us as the 4th scoring option, while Odom gets about 15 as the second option...that right there is the differance between Kobe and Tmac right now.