No you are correct, but it allowed us to extend it which would of expired (the original Rice TE) if it wasn't for this trade --- that is the splitting hairs thing.
no he is wrong. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81993&perpage=30&pagenumber=4 we used all of the Rice TE in the Tmac trade...adn got a new TE that expires at the end of June 05 IF there was any remaining of the Rice TE it would have already expired..
So, you agree that's it's old news. But don't disagree with the article. Ok good. But I got *new* news for you. The "old news" will continue to follow Francis's career.
i think it was a lopsided thing from the get go. not that the magic are made about it. they needed to make a change, this was the best option - they went with it. yes, houston's luckly they got the trade, but the magic were kind of cornered. it was like the magic were standing in front of three bullies and had to choose one to get beat up with - they chose the least beating...it was the best option they had. the beating was going to happen no matter what they did - they were destined to lose the trade...but at least they didn't lose as bad as they could have.
ACtually it is the moves AFTER the trade that have made this team Orlando has made worse trades and Houston has made better ones I still like Steve and always will Just like Cat and KT Rocket River
I know. It's kinda strange how trades never seem to make Francis's teams better. Amazing....Keep trying. You'll see sooner or later.
I totally agree. I don't understand the animosity of Steve with some of these fans. I think its amazing to see how the Rockets have rebuilt themselves after the Dream years. Steve was a part of that. He loved the team and city. Trading a 4 star player for a 5 star player is a no-brainer. I just don't understand the hate for the former Rocket.
I do not hate Steve Francis. When we made the trade to get Steve it was after the debacle with Scottie Pippen. Hakeem and Charles Barkley were done, and Steve represented a ray of hope. Hope did not happen. I did not know in the beginning what kind of player Steve would be, but in the first exhibition game he played in Compaq I was thrilled at the explosive play and athletic ability. That later led to deep disappointment that things never worked for Steve to be a leader of the team and carry us forward. Steve is not on the same level as T-Mac, but we had such high hopes for him. I do think Steve Francis loved the fans and loved Houston. Deep disappointment. I really hope Steve does well. I am enjoying the Rockets now with consistent team play and a real hope at a run in the play offs... I am glad we have moved on....
Also i forgot- Steve never had any shooting or offensive support around him. If we had a true point guard with Steve at the two, and shooting support too, Who knows?? I am not dogging Steve- I am glad to move on with the the team we have now...
exactly I been saying since the ladder part of Dreams days we didn't have shooters so what do we do . . .go get shooters all of a sudden we winning [that and the coach allowing them to shoot.] The difference in T-mac and SF is significant IMO but the difference between Cato [with us] and DEKE is more pronounced T-mac is being T-mac but Sura/Deke are playing better than they have in a few years Rocket river
You mean how Sura used to get 14ppg/8.3rpg last year in ALT vs 10ppg/6.2rpg with the Rox? And how Deke scored 5.6ppg/6.7rpg last year in NY and is getting 4ppg/4.5rpg with the Rox? That kinda of "better?" Perception, Rocket River, perception... If the foundation is strong (TMac/Yao) and you bring in role players it will seem as though those role players are doing *better.* But in reality, what you are seeing is our ability to mesh our players into a single UNIT (.i.e. TEAM) because our leaders (TMac/Yao/JVG) are capable of understanding this concept and how to execute it. That's the only way a team can play as a single unit. If a player is unable to understand this concept -- especially a PG -- well, all the rest of the improvements you attempt are a moot point. Sure, better shooting help a bit. But in the end, it wont matter much since SF is unable to incorporate his skills with his teammates skills. As long as he keeps playing as an individual, he'll keep getting traded.
Great points! The T-Mac/Francis trade made both teams better. The Rockets turned into a more efficient basketball team efficiently and with one of the best 1-2 punches in the league. The Magic got much needed depth and players for T-Mac (who wasn't gonna resign). It's the trades after, like you've said, Rocket River, that is making even more of a significant difference. Cmon, Christie for The Cat, that is such a blatant insult. Weisass is such a fool! I'll always love Stevie and Cat. They are great guys, great heart, they can both definitely ball (just not the highest b-ball IQ's). CD wasn't too great in recent years, but he's doing a superb job this year. I can't remember who said it right now, but "he's making up for Purpura's mess."
Yeah I know, Gerry was one of the best. I know we haven't given Purpura enough time yet but losing Hunsicker was more then just a minor thing. Carlo$ the sellout was a greedy s.o.b., but I believe the Astros would have had a greater chance and maybe even signed him if Hunsicker was still running things. Back to the topic at hand... Rockets are awesome!
I started a post a while back when the Rockets passed Orlando in wins because the Orlando press ticked me off, but my honest opinion of the trade is: Before the season started and during our poor start I thought the trade would improve both teams, but neither had a distinct advantage. I never thought McGrady was anything short of amazing, but I did question whether or not the support cast decisions were so poor that we would not be able to pull out of that slide without doing a lot more moves than what we made. Since we started winning, I am starting to believe that the trade was lopsided for the Rockets. I believed that Steve would be a more dominant scorer in the Eastern Conference than he has. I still believe that the jury is out. Steve is still immature and is not being utilized to his fullest potential. One thing is undeniable in the trade, and there is an argument to be made that this one single fact make the deal lopsided in the Rockets favor: The Rockets got the best single player in the deal. NBA history shows that teams with the single most dominant players win championships more often than not. Detroit last year was a major exception to that rule. Detroit, Seattle and Phoenix's performances in the playoffs this year will also tell a lot about whether single dominant players will continue to rule the NBA in the near future due to rule changes. The jury is still out.
