TMac play by play analysis vs. Pacers

I disagree Hockey Assists should be a good play. If there is a double team, and he passes out of it. Then the man recieving the pass should be either open or have a man switch to him. If he then passes that on, that man should be open too. But why is he open in the first place. Because the double team is on McGrady. Your logic is flawed in that your saying his rewarding T-mac for a double team. Because Yao gets these same plays. And the buckets also come because his doubled. So really every play where an open shot from a hockey assist is either a good play on Yao or a good play on T-mac if they are double. I'd give it a good play if T-mac is doubled, and a good play to Yao if his doubled. Good play to Bonzi if his doubled etc........IF the hockey assist comes from T-mac being doubled then he should be given the credit for passing out of a double team.

Driving to the bucket and getting a foul is a good play. Every day and every where when a man picks up a foul cause the guy is driving is a good play.

 

There should be some distinction between making a good shot and missing a good shot.

I have played team ball before and I get it fine. I understand how one player can indirectly benefit another.

The problem I have is that you claim to objectively analyze the game. But it looks like just about everything mcgrady does gives him a favorable rating.

Yes, I know he did...i never said he didnt. I just said that instead of taking a foul to prevent an easy layup, he tried to sell the foul by writing on the floor in front of the refs.

You misunderstand my intentions. I dont think he sucks. I just think your analysis is skewed heavily in tmac's favor.

So I pointed out the flaws as I saw them. Theres no need to be so offended by it.

I do recognize and appreciate the effort that you took to compile it though.

 

I cant recall all of T-Mac's made Jumpers, but most were of the catch n shoot variety, which as stated by blake, are good shots, but if he misses it counts neutral. A good shot in teh flow of the offense. Thats why you run your offense. To get good open looks for players that can make them.

A driving layup for McGrady is always a good shot because there is the closeness factor and also the foul factor(though it seems he is getting fewer and fewer calls on drives). I do think there can be a bad drive, but T-Mac doesnt really do that. Rafer is more apt to do one of those where he spins all out of position and throws up a BAD close shot.

T-Mac's bad jumpshots would be yo-yo 3 pointers (not at the end of the quarter or 2 fer 1 situations) or quick contested 22 footers(dont even get a bonus if it goes in from shooting out there). Dont think anyone complains when T-Mac comes off a pick and shoots an 18 foot J.

His dribble rub jumpshots(like the one he beat Dallas with in game 2 of '05) are the mixed bag. They seem to me to be somewhere between the bad 22 footer and the solid catch n shoot 18 footers.

T-Mac catch n shoot is a good play.

 

I don't understand your problem. Missing a Good shot and making a good shot is too objective to call. He called it in his own right, even made the play neutral. Based on your analysis nearly all 1 on 1's would need to be judged on their merits. Yao making a turn around, Bonzi posting up, AB burning his man, Scola taking a drive to the basket and spinning it.

And getting poked in the eye. Im pretty sure you would writhe on the floor or be in some sort of pain if you got poked in the eye. How can you possibly take a foul when you got poked in the eye? no honestly tell me? I would be grabbing my head first and start heading to my knees. Please explain to me your reaction when you get poked in the eye. I certainly have. I definetly could not continue the play if i did

 

Seems that T-MAC did it a little better lastnight,but he needs to be better and better,more active on the court when he doesn't handle the ball,pay more attention on D and keep consistent.(also keep himself healthy)
He is our superstar,so i have super requests to him.

 

Its a POSITIVE to pass out of a double team to your open teammates, as it is a NEGATIVE to turn it over when you get doubled. Good analysis Blake.

 

Sorry, no. My logic is sound. Lets say Tmac gets doubled and passes to Rafer. Rafer swings it to Battier who hits a 3.

The credit should go to Rafer. He had the option to shoot it or pass to the open man. It was 100% his decision and he made the correct one.

After Rafer receives the pass from Tmac, Rafer could choose to drive, pass, or even set up the offense again.

Are you saying that in all 3 scenarios, Tmac should be given credit for having performed a good play?

Of course not. Tmac has no control over what Rafer is going to do. So do you really think its fair that if Rafer makes a good decision, Tmac gets partial credit, but if Rafer makes a bad decision, Tmac doesnt get any blame?

Its not fair at all. Which is why Tmac shouldnt get a rating after he passes out of the double team unless it leads directly to a basket (an assist) or a turnover.

Yes, I agree. But the topic was driving to the basket, being contested, and missing without getting a foul call.

 

How is it too objective to tell the difference between missing and making a good shot? One goes through the hoop and the other doesnt. As such, they shouldnt both be considered "good plays". The made shot deserves a higher distinction.



Each play WAS judged on its own merit. Blake spent a lot of time making that breakdown.

Either call a timeout or just grab the guy. Or try to pass it to a teammate. Remember, foster was all over tmac...it would've been easy to foul him

Tmac just let the ball roll out of his arms.

 

So T-mac should get a bad play because the ref didnt blow his whistle??

Unless you are coming off a pick without the ball(and thus not driving) the defense will be able to at least contest a lay-up attempt. Thats why there are rotations, penetrator beats his man, next guy steps in to stop the ball.

 

Rafer would not even have the luxury of having those options if it wasn't for Tmac drawing the double team. If you can't see how that's a reflection on Tmac's impact on the game, then I don't know what to tell ya.

 

I didn't need this to know T-Mac help us big time, especially in a day that Yao look awful, but is good to have some nice facts to show this haters, undercover Jazz fans on this board, to shut them up once and for all.

 

Looked to me like he was trying to sell the call. Which IMO he should not have had to do. There are certain calls the refs dont want to make, like a guy getting his feet tangled up, or incedental contact. But if the contact causes a direct loss of possession of the ball they will blow the whistle. Well, they will usually blow the whistle.

 

Oh, ok then. I thought there were several instances where you said he missed a layup but gave it a "good" denotation. If you went back and edited it, then I agree.

I dont think driving to the hoop is a bad shot to take. I think penetration is the key to mcgrady's game. I was just trying to point out that your 3 distinctions (good/bad/neutral) were kind of limited in respect to his penetration.

His drives ARE good attempts, but if he misses, they cant be on the same level as made baskets. Thats all I was trying to say.

 

Which stat (in the box scores or discussed by announcers) keeps track of how many openings get created by a player?

True, he does cause the double team, and that does ultimately leave a man open. But to actually try and make this a statistic is foolish.

Do you also credit the ballboys for making sure the court isnt wet where battier shoots?

Do you credit the electric company for providing electricity so battier could see the basket in order to make his shot?

 

wow man, excellent work. those are really interesting finds, that kind of work is what darryl morey is looking at. He has a stat that says T-Mac leads the league in setting up his teammates for the most close range buckets. great job