No ****, genius. But why should we compare ourselves, the average joes, to a professional who's making $23 million a year? It goes to show how far McGrady sycophants are willing to cut him slack due to his reputation of being lazy. You guys are more than satisfied so long as "he's trying", "he's making an effort." I'm sorry but just TRYING isn't going to cut it in the NBA, you're not paid all that money to TRY (and that's assuming McGrady DID try his 100%, which I doubt). You wouldn't go see a doctor who TRIED his best to pass med school, and you wouldn't cross a bridge built by an engineer who TRIED in engineering school. You wouldn't be satisfied if Chuck Hayes was in the game just TRYING, or Battier, or B. Cook, but when McGrady tries, to you guys it's Lo' and behold, GOD is playing!
Yeah OK and b****ing about it on Clutchfans is going to help. Hey everybody, let's b**** like this attention wh--I mean like Carl Herrera.
you got one guy making a big fuss about t-mac not making an effort, and then you have another group saying "effort isn't enough" when he does make the effort THis is so ridiculous it's hilarious. He looked active on both ends of the court. I just don't get why people are so blindly hating on the guy. Last year was last year. Time to move on.
While I agree with you, Carl Herrera, I also think this is a very unnecessary thread. You could have easily mentioned this in the game thread instead of stirring up the pro-mcgrady and anti-mcgrady crowds.
Brooks' D is a liability, but he's not gonna get taller or heavier, so why get agitated over it. His decision making either is something he hasn't learned yet or some capabililty he doesn't have. Getting a hand up in Ryan Anderson's face, or actually going out to contest Carter's corner 3, on the other hand, appear to be things one can, you know, decide to do. No, I wasn't trying to drum up "doom and despair," just pointing out that the TMac is who we thought he was. The Rockets are probably a 48 or 50-ish win team... probably gonna make playoffs, probably not gonna get too far in it. That's just the way it is. Generally I'm pretty happy about that. The thing that does strike me, though, is that if this is the McGrady that we are gonna get, even with his offensive skills, I don't want this guy around playing 30+ mpg for this team. He just doesn't make sense any more. He doesn't smell like a Houston Rocket. The Rockets have plenty of flawed players, but not giving an effort isn't generally one of these flaws.
if tmac's defensive effort tonight was sh****ty, i guess carl herrera wouldn't wade the wade of this year, amare, steve nash, chris bosh, among some other stars. dude did put in effort tonight. his defense was just subpar b/c he is not completely in sync with our other guys. he expects help for his guy when he tries to roam and help inside, but no help comes and he's late to recover. that is on him to know if help is coming or not (it's the same play jameer nelson got burned on leaving brooks to help tmac inside despite having howard in there and brooks was completely wide open). the effort is there. he knocked the ball away from vince several times, played decent help D... the bad thing for me when i watch him is the recovery on his man is too slow, which leads to wide open shots.
I don't get it Carl. What's the difference? Assuming I agree that Tmac didn't give defensive effort tonight, but David Andersen did, the question is, does this impact anything in the end? In my opinion, crappy defensive is crappy defensive regardless of whether the individual is trying or not. You lose games that way, so your argument, in my opinion, doesn't stick. It's like saying it's okay for Ariza to suck on the offense as long as he's trying when really, it's not okay because it will cost us games. I think everyone on the board seems to be arguing about whether or not Tmac had effort or not. Honestly, I think he's trying but he seems lost out there on the defensive end. His lateral quickness is obviously affected and wants to provide help defensive, leaving his man wide open. I don't think it's a matter of effort, just being lost.
Using your logic, one would say that Carl Landry checked in with a one point lead, and check out in the second with a ten point defecit.
The difference is that lack of effort causes other issues. First, it can be contagious. Then, there is the whole "why should I give it everything if Tracy is just going to coast?" argument. Not to mention it can cause locker room friction. It's one thing when Tracy got special treatment years ago - but now? I don't really see his team mates accepting minimal effort. And do we really want to disrupt team chemistry for the McGrady we're getting today? And finally, and most importantly, I'm not angry if David Andersen tries hard but fails. I'm mad as hell when I watch McGrady (or anybody) slack on defense while the rest of the team kills themselves trying to win.
Its not like we're talking about a rookie. He's a 10 year vet. He knows the system. He knows his teammates. He understands what the other team is trying to do on offense. Its a matter of getting in a good defense stance, staying focused, and knowing how to move your feet. You can't just assume that because you're defending on the weakside its your time to rest. That won't fly anymore.
Interesting point on Brooks. I think if the sample size for Brooks was as small as T-Mac and some of his less than stellar late game penetrations were within the sample you would see the same arguments. But people can see the bigger picture with him, so dont come down on him so hard. Yeah, he lost the ball on that play, but he hit his teammate for an easy shot the play before, and drilled a 3 the play before that. I think T-Mac is under the microscope and folks are taking each "slide" and trying to make too much out of it. Last game it was how T-Mac was back and he should see his minutes doubled or whatever. I also think his defensive failures are being magnified due to his reputation(at least on this board) as being a poor defender. What's funny is the effort was there tonight, he just made mistakes and wasn't in sync with the rest of the guys.
There are basically two possible scenarios here. 1. TMac wants to play defense but he's incapable of playing well on defense. Whether this is due to injury or simple wear-and-tear of the body is irrelevant. 2. TMac doesn't care to play defense. Neither scenario changes the fact that TMac's bad on defense. In the end, this is a world where production matter. And T-Mac hasn't really produced defensively. It really doesn't matter WHY he sucks on defense. Only that he does.
Because finally people are seeing what Antisonic, myself and others have been saying. So, yes...to the recognition. DD
lol the guy is playing 7 to 8 min a game coming back from microfracture surgery, tmac is the least of the problems, Ariza is the main problem and im sure the staff will do something about it soon, you must not of noticed tmacs 10 points 3 assist in 8 min yesterday, but you did catch him not putting up a hand on a shot hmmm, i smell tmac hater...
Overall the effort for him seems to be there this year. The question is is that the norm, or is that trying to push himself for those compressed 8 minutes he is on the floor. Would it go away with a more regular 25-30 minutes per night? I dont know, since I havent seen McGrady work as hard on defense as he has this year in quite some time.
