Some of you posters with multiple bars should be smart enough to know basing your lousy arguments off +/- data is generally not a smart thing to do.
The guy plays 8 mins and is getting blamed?? wow never amazes me.. The whole team played sh******ty so what are you going to say about the rest of them???
Learn to read. Nobody says he's to blame for the loss all by himself. In fact, this thread was made well before the game was over. All I said was McGrady gave ****ty defensive effort, which is true, which would be true whether the Rockets won or lost the game.
+/- is the most rudimentary of stats that indicates how well a player actually played. It's a great way for fans to not only praise a player for his on-court efforts, but also for the haters to trash a player for the same effort as the other guy. And a green bars don't really give credence to most of the posters. I see rep given out to people who made a funny joke (I have no problem with that) or simply restating the opinion of someone who can award rep (I do have a problem with this).
I agree and none of us should be surprised, Tmac has never cared about defense and never will care about defense. He's a spoiled brat, plain and simple. In the years he was known as a superstar he's been coasting for such a long period of time, whether it was his crashing the boards, playing defense, hustling, whatever. He's been absolutely coasting. All he cares and plays is the offensive end and that's it. People that play like the way Tmac plays make me sick.
it's not hard to get multiple bars by posting Tmac hate and getting most of their rep in the hangout threads. Watch, I'll get rep right now by posting the following: T-mac gives a lack luster effort and therefore sucks and shouldn't be on the team. T-mac should suffer for his bad defense and horrible antics. Blah blah blah, blah blah blah... The end.
They obviously didn't, even if their +/- indicated, which is what I was noting. Not really sure where you picked up that vibe. - DD immediately grants dachude86 with 50 rep points. Comment: "Great analysis. Spot on. -DD"
It would be interesting to see what the opposition has scored vs. what the Rockets have scored while McGrady is in the game since his return. If I had to take a guess I would say the Rockets have been outscored by quite a bit.
But you have to understand this is Tmac, he is what he is, but he did try (from my point) ( he run n jump to contest VC three, and he did get one block) Maybe his defense is not what you expect from him but this is it for the 7min he is given, I'm not going to judge him for now until he get a decent minute (like 15min-25min) Beside we know his D suck and i rather have his effort on O then D cause O id what he is good at.
Then why is Ariza allowed to shoot 1-10? Great recipe for the playoffs their On topic, Tmac seemed to be giving effort in this game. He's just a terrible defensive player at this stage of his career. He has a hand up most of the time, its just that he got left behind most of the time as well.
In the four games besides tonight's game and the Denver game (-10), McGrady has had a +/- of even or better. Coincidentally, the Rockets won all four of those games, though to be fair the two games we lost were against elite teams. I didn't see the first half tonight but in his first few games back last week, people were praising McGrady for his defensive effort. Funny how things change in six games.
Each to his own. He could have done better,but he did make an effort on a couple of plays. Carter was too quick and explosive for him. He does need to work much harder,but I don't think he was as bad as you do.
Rockets were outscored by 7 in the other 40.5 minutes in which McGrady did not participate. Like I said, the point here is not the Rockets lost solely because of McGrady, all I was saying was McGrady gave a ****ty defensive effort, which is true no matter what the team did for the other 40.5 minutes.
Why would that be interesting? The entire defense of a team rests on the shoulder of TMac? I could take the 3rd quarter and make an argument that we played better while TMac was in. It, too, would be a foolish argument backed by lame data. Can it be proven that we play worse or better with TMac? Possibly, but you'll have to reach deeper than what some of these guys are pulling out for stats.
So the rox lose in a blow out, which is tough when they're coming off a back to back, The third of one more to come this month and you conclude T-macs a bum? It's his 6th game back in total he's played a little over 50 minutes. 1 whole game and an OT if you looked at a 48 min perspective. Someone lock this thread What's with the T-Bashing now? May I remind you the guys got to Orlando at 4 am?
His defense from the clutch video looked pretty decent on carter from an effort standpoint. He got faked once, stripped a ball from carter, made carter miss a shot....wasn't bad from an effort standpoint. I see T-mac making defensive mistakes, but i am surprised people are critiquing the effort. THe effort is there.
I really don't want us being outscored at all, to be honest. It makes for no wins. If what you're saying is that TMac did poorly on defense, you can't necessarily point to the point differential while he was in to prove it. This is like me saying we lost this game in the 3rd quarter because TMac wasn't in because of the point differential or something. I'm not sure, but do you ever rag on Aaron Brooks' defense or late-game decision-making? To me that's been pretty horrific at times. A lot more than TMac's 7.5 minutes causing the doom and despair you're trying to drum up. At least wait until the guy plays around 20 minutes a game to prove that he sucks on defense and doesn't give effort on that side of the ball.
