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Tmac -"Deke shoulda been in the game"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacYao223, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. krockets

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    Actually no, I really don't get the logic why would a season coach like Adelman would bet on this scenario, just like I couldn't understand why would a coach bet on Tmac making a 3 from 40 feet away..
     
  2. wekko368

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    Look. A contention was made that a coach will always call a timeout in that situation. I proved it wrong. You can nitpick all you want, but I proved it wrong.

    This thread is about why deke was on the bench, and i've just been trying to offer possible reasons as to why he was. Even if you disagree, they're still valid reasons.

    The problem is, the people who think deke would've made a difference arent fully thinking through the scenario.
     
  3. wekko368

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    I've explained it as best as I can. If you dont get it, theres nothing I can do about that.
     
  4. bbjai

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    um just a quick question

    if you lose the outlet
    you would have wasted at least 4 seconds
     
  5. krockets

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    Yeah, if you can come up with something more valid, then I think a lot of us won't even question it.

    Well, I could come up with 10 other valid reasons, too, which I know most ppl would disagree.

    Well, I think the actual problem is, some people think Deke would not have a better chance of rebounding the ball compare to Landry.
     
  6. supermagic

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    You have NOT proved anything. You gave one possible but highly unlikely scenario where not calling a timeout could have worked, and claimed that scenario could be the basis of RA's decision. Man, I sure hope you are wrong. When facing two alternatives, coaches make decisions to maximize their teams' chances to win. They are not paid big money to gamble the team's fate with an inferior choice when the other choice is clearly better. Let us put it this way, even if hypothetically speaking, Rockets won the lottery by securing the rebound with Deke on the bench and then seizing a magically-appeared fastbreak opportunity to score, not calling a timeout ex ante is still the wrong decision.

    And please stop using the last play in the Suns vs. Spurs game as an example for your argument. That situation is completely different. Besides the clock and the tie-game situation, Spurs was taking advantage of Suns small lineup on the court. Suns had no TOs left and it made a lot of sense for Popovich to not call a TO so as to avoid giving Suns the opportunity to get their bigs on the court for a defensive play. Not calling TO was the right decision there because it maximized Spurs' chance to win under that particular situation.
     
  7. doublebogey

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    I really hope T-Mac would shut up. There is no place to question your coach in media when your coach always have your back.

    Moreover, the replay clearly shows T-Mac tipped the ball and that caused Landry to mistime his jump. If T-Mac just boxed out Boozer, Landry should have the rebound.

     
  8. bbjai

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    IF you ask me
    Okur fouled Landry from over the back. The guy clearly had his arms over his head making contact.
     
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    Someone please post the Press Conference interviews after GM 4
     
  10. Pringles

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    doesn't mean, to point fingers. hopefully, tmac opened his mouth due to pure fustration, if not... i don't know.
     
  11. wekko368

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    You're saying that outlet passes are highly unlikely? Do you even watch basketball?

    No...its not. Its easier to score on a fast break than against a set defense.

    Exactly. A timeout is not always called. Which was my contention.
     
  12. wekko368

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    Very true...it was a foul. But i'm sure no one on this board expects the ref to make that call at that time.

    You're confusing okur with scola.
     
  13. MayoRocket

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    Box out Boozer?? Huh? Okur was the one they need to keep off the glass. Boozer didn't do anything.
     
  14. wekko368

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    I think Doublebogey is saying that if Tmac had boxed out boozer, then he wouldnt have been in position to tip the ball away from landry.
     
  15. daddy cool

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    This debate is weak,why do you guy's keep replaying this scenario,This ONE play wasn't the reason the game was lost. T-mac is weak for going there to why the game was lost. He is showing why he can't win a playoff series, He is acting like the individual ric bucher said he was, Would you take this guy in a fox-hole with you.
     
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    How is that a diss to Adelman? LMAO, I swear some of you are reaching to find anything. All he said was that he thought Deke should have been in the play. Where did he blame Adelman? There another thread that says the same thing and people agree. But then T-Mac says the same exact thing and now he's "blaming the coach". What a joke.

    T-Mac couldn't box Boozer out, Boozer was just too strong. Which is why Deke would have been the better person under the goal.
     
  17. daddy cool

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    Tracy is weak,The coach is responsible for putting players in the game so who was he pointing the finger at. He blames carl landry for mis-timing his jump,Deke and them should have been in the game.



    Bucher was right you wouldn't want to take tracy in a fox-hole battle with you. He threw the coach under the bus,He isn't down with nobody but himself
     
  18. LegendZ3

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    Yes, Deke should of been in there. But then again, T-Mac has a shot at the rebound and he couldn't control it. If you are going to blame, you have to blame yourself as well.

    Let's just move on and win the next 3 games. Right now pointing fingers aren't going to help anyone but the Jazz.
     
  19. daddy cool

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    TRUE,REALLY THO
     
  20. rofflesaurus

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    this is what i hate about t-mac. when things dont go your way he starts pointing fingers. hey t-mac, how about pointing a finger at yourself once in a while?
     

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