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Tmac -"Deke shoulda been in the game"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacYao223, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. wekko368

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    Last few plays of the game. Nash hit a 3 to tie the game. Spurs didnt call a timeout afterwards. Manu got the ball near halfcourt and drove for the winning layup.
     
  2. bbjai

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    Like I'd be honest with you. If they had timeouts
    Im pretty sure they would have called it. Like I said before I've only ever seen one situation like this without a timeout. And that was Deron Williams himself going coast to coast in a regular season game with 5 seconds left. HECK it happened to me in real life the other day too. But the chances are rare and not really something you make plays for. Like its not a high percentage play that would happen if you get what I mean. You wouldn't take 25% of your lineup just to account for 10% play.
     
  3. krockets

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    Are you talking about the overtime or when Spurs is trailing by 3?

    If you are talking about the overtime, then they were tied before the last layup, which is quite different than our Game 4.
     
  4. wekko368

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    Best chance of rebounding the ball goes is Landry. He's faster, stronger, more athletic, can jump higher, and cover distances quicker.

    With his length and his elbows, Deke is only better if you know exactly where the rebound is going and position him there.
     
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    By the way, if Adelman is really thinking about a fast break, then he would put Brooks in there consider his speed, not Bobby Jackson, who just choke on a fast play in Game 3.

    If for just rebounding the ball, which lineup would you think could give you the best chance?

    Alston/Bobby/Tmac/Battier/Landry?

    or

    Deke/Hayes/Landry/Battier/Tmac?
     
  6. wekko368

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    When you think you have the advantage, you dont call a timeout. If we have an outlet and are on a fast break, we wont call a timeout.
     
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    We are trailing by 2 points and only a few seconds left, you really think that's an advantage to us?
     
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    if you miss you lose? thats pretty bad advantage if you ask me
     
  9. Shaud

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    Okay Spurs game I'm pretty sure it was 12 seconds on the clock when Ginobli got the ball but I may be wrong, and yes they were out of timeouts. Also Ginobli is a way better finisher then Alston and Jackson and he's quicker then T-mac.

    So with our team calling timeout was the smartest thing to do.
     
  10. wekko368

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    Or maybe Adelman was thinking that he's worked with Bobby for years and trusts his judgement whereas brooks is a rookie who has had limited playing time during the course of the season.

    If all I wanted was a rebound with no opportunity for an easy basket, i'd go with your second lineup.
     
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    Its easier to score on a fast break than running a set play out of a timeout.
     
  12. bbjai

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    nope your not going to convince me thats going to work. Your saying that we have to get the rebound first then fire an outlet pass, then score on a fast break. So we got to get the rebound first (where we failed) fire a good outlet pass (which might not happen and then score on a break (high percentage shot yet). First two events have an over then 50% failure rate especially a outlet pass from Landry who was on the wrong side to Jackson.
     
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    I still don't get the logic, Jazz was shooting free throws, so the probability for getting a fast break is very very low in this situation, so why would someone give up a best "rebounding" lineup for a low chance fast break scenario?

    Betting on fast break in this situation is like betting on Tmac making a 3 from 40 feet away.
     
  14. Shaud

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    http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQpQSWt9Qyo

    That is the ginobli play, he starts with 15.7 left on the clock , that is a bigggggggg difference then going the length of the floor with 6 seconds. Also it wasn't even a fast break he sat at the top of the key for a few seconds.
     
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    You do get the logic. You just dont agree with it. I dont know...i'm just trying to figure out the reasoning behind adelman's decisions.

    And if you think about it, the probability of an outlet pass isnt that low. There would definitely be a fight for the rebound. That could easily lead to an outlet pass.
     
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    No, the spurs still had their 20 second timeouts. I'm not debating that ginobili is better than our players. I brought up the spurs game b/c someone said that a coach will ALWAYS call a timeout in that situation.
     
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    The difference isnt that big since he sits at the top of the key for a few seconds.
     
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    With 6 seconds he would of called timeouts. Seriously there is a huge difference between 6 seconds and 15.7 seconds in that situation.
     
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    It's a huge difference, and since he sat at the top of the key it's not a fast break like you have been arguing that we should of done. We could of done that play out of the timeout. I'm done with this argument there is a huge difference between 6 and 15 seconds and everyone knows that well I guess except you.

    I'll just agree to disagree.
     
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    Like i've said many times before, if theres an outlet pass and a fast break, there wouldnt be a time out.

    If we get the rebound without an outlet, then we immediately call a timeout.
     

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