Could you copy and paste this into every thread in the GARM? If we had a good PG then it would be a different story but as of now you can't just get rid of our playmakers. Of course the ball is going to skip around when the players on the court KNOW they can't take someone one on one.
I don't expect Artest to learn to play in the flow of the game. That would be teaching an old dog new tricks. I do expect him to be an efficient individual player. Artest was a ball-stopper in Sacramento, too, but he played really physical and was efficient on offense. When he and Adelman were both there, and he was on the floor, they quit running any kind of motion and just let Artest abuse the opposing wing player on the block. Where can we find that Ron Artest?
Co-sign, it nothing better than seeing 38% fg shooters, on the top of the key, trying to isolate a player, but getting shut down by scrubs & D-league players
Because just like Chauncey, and Ray Allen and countless others, he fits on a certain type of team....like.....this one. DD
Ray Allen has been successful on every team he's been with including the playoffs. Miller like Battier doesnt want that shot or make that play. They couldnt win a freaking playoff game. I repeat, they couldnt win a playoff game. now if you want a guy to play well in the regular season, be my guess, but the guy has a history of no show in the playoffs. Plus he's soft as tracy and shane. Now if you want someone like jefferson or butler who has played in this type of offense, cool. If you want to try jamison at the 3 thats cool too, but Miller is a playoff scrub. Plus we already have enough light complex complextioned guys on the team.
I assume you'd take Gasol on this team, right? He didn't win a playoff game either in Memphis. And to top it off, he's WHITE!
yup.. i have to agree. . at first i gave artest the benifit of the doubt since he plays hard and plays hard on the defensive end. but he really just absolutely kills us on offense and unfortunately i dont see him adjusting to our offense.. just a bad fit i guess..
THE PROBLEM: Rafer brings the ball up the court, then immediately hands the ball to Tmac. Tmac dribbles, dribbles, dribbles, then finally drives, finds open man for a pass. This was our old system and it used to work okay. However, this kills Adelman's offense. When Tmac holds on the ball and plays ISO, everyone stops moving. They stand there and watch. This system fails because at least before, Tmac could beat his defender to the basket causing the defense to collapse on him and leaving more people wide open. Since the injury, Tmac can't beat anyone with quick steps. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RUNNING THE OFFENSE THROUGH YAO AND TMAC: When we used to play the offense through Yao, Yao has a hard time being the recipient of a pass. Therefore, the whole team is involved in moving without the ball to try and get Yao the ball. There are multiple passes made with many players being the recipient of a pass before it ends up in Yao's hands. Once Yao receives a pass down low, the defense collapses on him causing others to get an open look. When we play the offense through Tmac, the only ones that actually get their hands on the ball is Rafer (who does nothing but bring it up court), Tmac (who dribbles dribbles dribbles, penetrates, then dishes it out), and the open recipient (against the Knicks, it was Artest alot). The offense becomes very stagnant and lacks teamwork.
As far the white part, i was playing , but people have selective memories when they put the loser tag on people. Right now, the only loser is tracy by most people accord and that true in a sense. No one ever called shane a loser,yao a loser because they like those guys. Shane didnt win a playoff game on a 50 and 49 win team in memphis along with gasol and mike miller. Gasol has ridden kobe's coattails and shane is riding tracy's. I'm not saying miller is a not a good player, he's just not a good post season player like shane. They shrink as opposed to coming up big. I'm all for trading to make the team better, not just the offense in the regular season because that doesn't matter. Team success isnt a 1 way street and we've had these discussion not too long ago. The defense is hurting right now big time and no everyone is consummed with the offense. I have my concerns about that too, but i'm not going to trade artest for a mentally soft playoff player like mike miller. I wouldnt do it, but thats just me. Now if you want to talk about Nocioni,Jefferson,or Butler, i can dig that, but the guy has to be tough because we already have enough softies on this team.
man,,,Artest might not be the right piece,,,,but he plays with heart and hustles. u can't judge him by only playing one bad game,,,the difference is the ball wasnot falling....i would give him some times and see what big 3 will offer before talking about trading him...but yep,,,,if we can get someone elite in return, in particular, in PG position. then hell yes,,,,i would do that trade in a heart beat.
Artest can definitely be a ball stopper. I don't know that that means he can't fit into the offense, or hasn't really had time to. Before he was injured our offense hadn't found it's identity the way it did since he's been injured. Also if we get rid of Artest that means we don't have options should Yao go down. With Yao he can complement our offense, and be the guy if we just want to slow it down and pound it into the post over and over. If Yao goes down, we can still milk Artest as another option to our fluid offensive ball movement set. Without him that option is gone should Yao Ming get hurt. In the playoffs the low post presence seems crucial. Last night I thought Tracy actually took his shots in the flow, and didn't really deaden the ball movement like he might have in the past.
artest isn't selfish he's just used to doing one thing and that's being the man. he means well but he isn't in position health-wise or in a team with this amount of talent to be the chucker he used to be. i'd like to see him more with yao and t-mac before i really get down on him but so far wafer is actually a better option.
Someone needs to hire clutchfans to be coach/GM.. b/c artest needs to go.. or learn to use peripherals... T-mac... he is too used to playing iso and creating for everyone that he doesn't know how to play with talent around him. They are both too deep in wrong thoughts to change the above facts and adapt.. bad leaders I would say.. need some motivation or a kick to their egos.
