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TMac and Artest just kill the motion offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by code_red, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. leebigez

    leebigez Member

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    All the b****ing and moaning once again. The rox avg 98 ppg and how many did they score? What about the motion defense? How about defending the paint? How about getting a hand up? Tell rick to stop trying to out offense people and start playing defense.
     
  2. jVgOwnsYou

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    Yao's post ups are more effective because he's a mismatch for every team. The point of dumping the ball down low to Yao is to create a mismatch and force the other team to adjust. That is exactly why we go to Tmac and Artest. They usually pose mismatches for players on the perimeter...Its not ball stopping, its just basketball. Teams double and you get an open shot somewhere, and tonight the open shots just didnt fall....Thats when its nice to have Yao to dump it to because he can effectively shoot over double teams or just draw fouls.

    Again, Its not ball stopping, it is just half court basketball.
     
  3. code_red

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    Against a Knicks team, where opponents average 106.14 against the Knicks!

    You are right about the defense though. The defense was horrible tonight.
     
  4. KeepKenny

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    When Ron was in the midst of putting up a Starks-like performance, where the hell is Adelman? Take him out of the damn game. He was so awful, yet we didn't try anything new. It's not like he was making many plays on D either. Put in Landry or Wafer. It felt like Adelman was scared to bench him.
     
  5. code_red

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    That isn't Adelman's basketball and that isn't motion offense. FFS, if DM didn't want a motion offense, he should have kept JVG.
     
  6. jVgOwnsYou

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    The idea that Adelman just wants to play one style of offense is a complete myth. He wants to run whatever fits the personell. The reason we picked up Adelman was to diversify the offense, not to simply install a "motion offense"...Just do whatever wins, and whether you want to admit it or not, we won 22 games in a row playing primarily through yao and tmac.

    In most of our wins this year we didnt run a traditional "motion" offense. We just try to get the ball to Yao deep.
     
  7. fmp087

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    I don't know if its necessarily that someone has to go, but IMO I think they should never be on the court together.

    We lost because Adelman failed to pull make the right adjustments down the stretch. Tmac and Artest played together for much of the game, and there was not one moment where the offense looked like it was clicking with both of them on the court. Any person watching the game would have either pulled Artest or Tmac out of the game for someone like Wafer just to get some more motion and flow on offense.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    tracy tends to hold the ball and ask for the pick and roll and sometimes that's not good. but at least he's willing to make passes to the open guy. and we can hope he can improve and ask for hte pick and roll faster if he wants that play.

    the problem i have with ron is HE DOESN'T WANT TO PASS it appears. the 2 plays to start the 3rd quarter is a perfect example. he had nowhere to go and still wanted to jack it up. tracy would try to pass it outside.

    tracy should move more.

    artest should have the willingness to want to pass at least.
     
  9. t_mac1

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    and i just want to add, as tracy gets better, he will adjust like he did last yr.

    i don't think ron will. i don't know if he knows what the word passing means. he's allergic to it.
     
  10. AGBee

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    Battier doesn't help by being glued to the corner.
     
  11. T-Yao

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    I think it's okay when Artest is playing well during the night. Like tonight, he shouldn't have just held the ball and not pass. I saw that a couple of times, it's either he shoots a three, or he dribbles and forces a shot.

    On Tracy, i get really tired sometime just watching him hold the ball than either shoot or turn it over, (force his teammate to get a turnover by giving them the ball with like 2 seconds left).
     
  12. jVgOwnsYou

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    I didnt have a problem with artests decision to be aggressive, it was just the fact that he was so unsuccessful. That was concerning to me....He had some favorable matchups out there, and he just failed to win those matchups and he was forced in to a lot of bad shots. .
     
  13. t_mac1

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    dude is useless. if we're going to play a lot more zone, why are we even bothering to play shane? we're not utilizing his main strength: individual defense.

    and him staying glue to one spot makes it harder to run anytime of motion offense b/c his guy can just be a guy used to help out on our stars.

    for the 2nd straight game, shane has the worst +/- on this team. he's beyond terrible for the past 2 weeks.
     
  14. t_mac1

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    the thing is: PASS IT OUT if you don't have a decent shot. his layups weren't EVEN CLOSE tonight. he's 6-8 so he has that ability to look throughout the court at least.
     
  15. Shaud

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    Exactly, we got 3 guys who don't really move but only T-mac and Battier are mentioned.

    The only 2 guys that move are Scola and Alston.

    The difference is Battier just stands in the corner for a 3.

    Artest just jacks up jumpers. He doesn't make things easier for his teammates but he has to drive more if his jumper isn't falling. If he's making shots I don't mind him taking those shots.

    T-mac jacks up jumpers but also gets teammates involved. He definitely needs to be more aggressive going to the basket.

    The problem is Artest and Battier more than T-mac to me.
     
  16. Shaud

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    Battier played real good in the Detroit game.
     
  17. jVgOwnsYou

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    I agree, i just think there were times where he read the defense correctly, made up his mind he was going to score against a favorable matchup, and then for whatever reason, he couldnt win the matchup....it was just a bad performance. For a guy that has averaged 20 a game before, something was really wrong.
     
  18. Shroopy2

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    Yup. I love Scola, he's an offensive threat at the 5 teams have to honor. But I'd rather keep him at the 4 doing the Scolandry thing and have a real big in the middle to guard the paint.

    But man regardless, Artest and Rafer trashed the game with their shooting. A combined 2-17 from the 3 point will kill you, especially against a team that can run and get transition buckets off the long rebounds. And yes, the guy scoring 3 points better have some might strong glue to hold a team together with
     
  19. Nolocke

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    And at least Scola doesn't get injured if someone bumps him. He's been our ironman the last 2 seasons.
     
  20. el_locoteee

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    I don't think he is a good passer.
     

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