The offense is much better with TMac and Artest out, and Wafer in their place. Wafer will cut/slash and he doesn't hold onto the ball indefiitely or dribble indefinitely. Can't believe 2 of our 3 stars are so dull about this. I'd like to call them stars but sometimes, they play like morons.
You only say it after losses. Didn't Ron have 24 AND 9 like, yesterday. Youre still wrong. Ron shot terribly today, and yeh he's not the greatest fit with starting lineup, but guess what? When Yao comes back, he will be coming off the bench. If you think what tmac and ron are doing is ball stopping, what do you think of yao's post ups?
Right - we saw the same guys without Artest and T-mac and it was woeful to watch. At least we were in this game. Indiana controled the game and we looked utterlly hapless on offense.
Not the same, Yao commands the double team immediately and everyone is slashing around him where he can pass it easily with his height. Barry, Wafer, Scola, Brooks, Landry are all pretty good at this.
they are stars they just dont fit the system. its not there fault. adelman system does not fit them and they dont fit adelman either just trade them both whenever u can for role players to beef up the roster and we will be ok
Yao is the ONLY one I don't mind holding the ball for more than 3 seconds because he is efficient, especially after he learns the art of elbow recently. Everyone else: DON'T STOP THE BALL MOVEMENT!!!!!
Its just annoying that people want to point the finger and ignore the biggest reason why we lost the game. We controlled the tempo and it was a half court game for most of the second half...Who would have guarded Yao and kept him off the glass in the half court for NY...David Lee? Hell no.
Tmac is a playmaker - you have to put the ball in his hands. You have to let him create. That's what he does. I don't think that is mutually exclusive to having team ball movement. T-mac is not Peja - he's not a catch and shoot guy. He's better off the dribble and his abilities are off the dribble. Pentrating, shooting, passing - all off the dribble. Artest is inexplicable...because he doesn't have t-mac's playmaking ability - he needs to try to playmake less. but he just shot woefully tonight.
My bigger concern is that nobody could cover David Lee! I know he's added more to his offensive game under D'Antoni but he is by no means an elite offensive PF. Scola got abused by Lee, especially in the 1st half. Landry's defense was better than usual tonight from what I recall but he is usually no better. Hayes had a poor defensive game by his standards, too.
Wow Von Wafer Shoudlve played instead of Ron Artest at the end of the game..my goodness what a terrible loss
Is Wafer hurt? I haven't been able to watch the last 2 games, but I see his minutes played has decreased dramatically. I sure hope it's not because Tmac and Artest are back. That would be just dumb. The guy was arguably our MVP during their absence.
Tmac was a playmaker, drive, attract defense, pass to open mane, that's play making. He doesn't drive anymore nowadays. Tmac without driving is not a better playmaker than Rafer.
It's worth it for Yao's post ups because Yao is shooting 54% FG this year, and he draws a double team. Having said that, Yao fits in quite well with the motion offense. If Yao is not posting up, he will pass it off quite quickly to another player. Artest and TMac just like to hold/dribble the ball and stop the ball movement completely.
Yes Tmac is a playmaker and yes he is better off the dribble. BUT, he doesn't have to hold the ball to be a playmaker. He must make decisive movement when he receives the ball instead of holding the ball for 5 seconds then tries to make something happen. Same for Artest. He is a blackhole tonight. And he forces too many shots. I don't remember any game with so many forced shots when Yao leads the team alone.
The return of Artest and McGrady severely cut down on Wafer's minutes, Ron and Tracy play the same positions Wafer does and they're (former) All-Star caliber players. I think Wafer's minutes will level off at 15-20 per game. I'd love to be wrong, if he could step up a bit more on defense he should definitely get more minutes
