TJ YATES: What exactly is wrong with him?

not sure what a throw-away has to do with audibling. maybe his first thought was i can't run and he let it cloud his judgment for a second. that's different than not being able to access the defense at a stationary position.

and running out of the pocket with the ball in one hand is instinctual, not fundamental. every QB does it. the fumble was a fluke.

 

I agree with the OP in the sense that we should give him a shot in the pre-season to compete with Schaub. Why not? At this juncture, we know schaub is not getting traded or released, due to salary cap implications (ok, maybe traded, but who do we get in return?)

I say give Yates a shot to prove himself and at the minimum, to provide Schaub with some competition so maybe he steps up his game. complacency and security aren't always the best for certain types of players, and maybe Schaub needs an injection of competition to get him going again. Also, in defense of Yates to the comments about him not passing much in his rookie season--this is true but remember there was a lock-out year where he didn't get a chance to practice much with the team, and he was the 3rd string option at the time so didn't have the coaches confidence. I think him being a 'system guy' was more on Kubiak than letting him loose to prove himself ala Kapaernick.

At this juncture, I don't see how it hurts to give Yates a legit shot. If he does better than expected, great. If not, no harm no foul. Either way, we are stuck with Schaub unless either Yates or Keenum reveal themselves to be the next great QB prospect IMO.

Also,maybe we should bring Knapp back as the QB coach, fire Marciano (obviously), and bring in a new OC to inject some new ideas. The Texans offense has gotten too stale, predictable, and boring. We need fresh blood in the system and its doubtful Kubes will be replaced so the next best thing would be OC.

 

Given how Schaub and Yates seem to have turned out this season, I almost want to say the QB coach should be let go because they both seem to have regressed.

Yates had potential but in preseason and the few times he has played, he hasn't been as good as he was at his best in the previous season. That being said, I was all for not giving Schaub a contract until the end of the season and potentially using Yates at the start of the season. I am also all for if Matt gets injured or Yates taking over, but if he is going to be a long term solution he needs to step up. Kid has a little mobility and better arm strength but instincts appear lacking. Don't know if that is on Yates or the coaching at this point.

 

Agree with this. I think ultimately Yates hasn't really been given much of a shot. They should hand him the rock in the pre-season and challenge him to take the starting job. I think his short appearances in games were situational and thus hard to judge. ALso, Kubiak probably had him on a very short leash and limited his playmaking ability--when a QB has to just wait and listen and follow a gameplan regardless, it could actually hurt him because he has the coaches instructions in his head and isn't playing instinctually or necessarily to his strengths. I have no idea if Yates will be good but we won't know unless he gets a legit shot.
Yates is no dummy. He produced well in his rookie season considering the circumstances and seems to do well under pressure.

I have to also imagine that he must think there is an opening thanks to Schaubs shaky play the last 6 weeks and i'm sure hes reading all the fan feedback wanting schaub replaced/traded/or challenged. Hopefully he'll work on his game this summer and step it up.

 

You're right. It doesn't. I guess I was trying to correlate not being able to read defenses with low football IQ. We've seen him throw picks like the one in the first NE game when Foster was wide-open.

Anyway, it's clear that Kubiak doesn't trust him to do so. I'm not saying we need a QB that can make adjustments at the line but it sure looks like it would help an offense like ours that becomes stagnant and comes out flat a lot.

 

he is being evaluated by people who thought schaub was elite. By peoiple who want to write him off after being thrown to the wolves against the vikings. Who dont appreciate toughness in the pocket a strong arm and mobility. Just read the jj watt draft thread for this boards ability to evaluate talent

 

I'm sure Kubiak has already ruined Yates development as he did with Schaub. Just being around the two probably changed Yates personality, he went from a risk taker to somebody scared to take risks on the football field I'm positive.

 

yates had an eighty rating after being thrown into the fire an won a playoff game and some of you guys are already regulating him to career backup? When did you guys start watching football?

 

Inaccuracy and ability to read defenses

 

This. Plus 4-years/$64M.

Yates is a backup, nothing more.

 

I don't think that play was a result of low iq on Schaub. It was more likely that he wasn't confident in himself to make the throw accurately and with enough zip on the run. That is way 90% of the time when he runs outside the pocket he will hardly throw to the middle of the field and throw it away or attempt a lame throw towards the sideline were a receiver might be in the area but in reality there is a 5% chance the receive can actually attempt a catch.

 

peoples love for schaub.. extremely high expectations for his rookie season and "regression" in the 2 plays we saw him this year..

 

Yeah this opinion that Yates has somehow regressed is stupid, because we flat out haven't seen him play. Last year was his rookie year and he practiced all year as 3rd string, people expected Johnny Unitas for some reason.

That being said i'm not at all convinced Yates is the answer, but I know Schaub isn't. Schaub is a game manager, and you need a dominant defense and running game to win with them, and even then it's a tough ask.

Given Schaub's guaranteed contract this year and the other holes we need to address, we simply can't afford a Matt Flynn or Michael Vick. So the only options are through the draft or Yates. Yates is decidedly more mobile,and in one game showed me more in the clutch than Schaub has shown in 6 years.

I simply believe we need a change, and Yates is the most realistic alternative. I see no reason Yates shouldn't at least split 1st team reps in camp.

 

Schaub will not be traded or released because its a $14 million hit against the cap if we did that. If we are only 12.9 under before signing our free agents or draft class its just not possible to do that. We would have to gut the roster then you guys would really be b****ing.

 

Yates will get his reps. His accuracy is spotty but maybe he's improved on that.

His decision making was questionable...maybe he improved on that.

He is more light on his feet than Schaub, but that being said, he's still a fairly slow runner and their 40 times aren't that far apart. Yates

 

yeah he doesn't throw the ball downfield nearly as well as Matt Schaub....

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Exactly

 

I think the 3 interceptions against the Ravens has blurred people's opinion of Yates. If I take a step back, I think some of my hesitation to call him a starter stems from that one game.

What I do like about Yates is that he has more zip on his balls than Schaub and he also carries himself with a certain swagger/confidence that Schaub does not have.

Compare his stats to Ryan Tannehill.

Yates has a higher completion percentage, a higher YPA, and a higher rating.

If you are basing their play on their rookie seasons, what advantage does someone like Tannehill have over Yates? However, last I checked, people in Miami dont have a problem moving forward with Ryan as their QB.

Watch his throws in the Atlanta game in his first start...Even though he had a couple throws that were off, most of his passes are generally well placed with a ton more zip than anything Schaub throws. Look at the plays at the 3:15 mark and the 7:28 mark.

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