If a player can catch a ball and shoot a half-decent shot in 0.3 seconds, I think a ref could probably see a player touch the ball and press a button in no more than 0.1 seconds.
Stern retorting back with his head sunk back in his shoulders: "We have the greatest referees in the world so what can I tell you..."
The time keeper has to wait until the ball has touched a player, thus the player has a slight advantage over the clock. Fisher was catching and turning in one motion, which means that, given reaction time necessary to see the event and start the clock, he got the shot off in .4 seconds of NBA time (which is the only time that counts). I'm not a Faker lover (or a Spurs fan, for that matter), but it was a legit shot. Perhaps you're right: the shot itself took .5 seconds, but the timekeeper reaction time added a bit. Still, it was a legit shot. Not a timekeeper goof: call it "the human factor". This shot is different. This was not a case of reaction time: the timekeeper most definitely goofed by starting the clock before it touched a player on the court.
Well I was a great designed play but after watching replays I think it was a giid decision by refs this time. The ball definetly didn't leave Fords hands in time. BTW, I still remember pretty similar play in game Rockets-Magic when Foyle made a tip in.
You may have missed the part about the clock being started before TJ ever touched the ball... Considering that there's a reaction time involved for any human being, if anything, the clock should have started late. It was an itchy trigger finger, plain and simple.
Well, if you're going to measure a game in tenths of a second, you'd better be ready to call the game in tenths of a second. The Raptors got hosed.
You are right, I didn't watch the game. I watched only recap from nba.com. If that's true they shall win the game. Toronto can't give up, Refs and technical issues are sometimes critical in games.
Pop actually complained to the ref in vain that the clock started late on Fisher's shot. "0.3 second catch and shoot" is talking about catch the ball at top and release the ball at the same time. Fisher's shot didnt fit that criteria. Fisher's shot was a late clock. However, generally speaking, the refs start the clock late most of the time.
WTH, first ATL scorekeepers missed a made basket by Ford last year, then this? Blatant home court bias.
I cant imagine starting the clock exactly when it hits his hands.You can wait but then you will give him probably .3 extra.........Good call..........Deserving team wins it in overtime...........
LOL, not quite. He might have touched the ball, but if the referee really believed that, why did it take him more than 24 hours after the game ended to say that? Furthermore, why would the refs review the play at all? If Horford tipped the ball, the simple path from the ball going from near halfcourt to the basket area would've taken far more than 0.5 seconds -- and that's not even counting Ford catching and pushing the ball! Horford comes close to tipping it, and he might be right. Replays are inconclusive. But I'm calling BS that the referee called that on the floor -- it doesn't fit with what happened, at all. This is a case of the NBA reading the story and finding the easiest way to explain themselves out of a sticky situation.
Honestly, I cant see the tip in replay - u know blurry nba.com video. For the highlight part in your quote, I am not sure. I cant clock it in the video. But as I said, most of time, the officials always have late clock for response time. So, it may actually be a late clock that's favouring the Raptors. Who knows! But I wont question Al Horford's honesty or something like that. Probably it's just a touch of the ball skin that we cant see in TV or computer monitor. But there were at least 2 officials close enough to the inbound pass that could see if there was a tip.
television broadcasts at 30 frames per second. 0.4 seconds = 12 frames. That link shows 7 frames of his shot (0.233 seconds) before the clock starts. The clock then starts and he completes the rest of his shot in 0.4 seconds. So, fisher's shot actually took 0.633 seconds at least, assuming the poster showed every frame. If he skipped frames, then the shot took longer. 0.633 seconds is still fast as hell. If anyone has a frame by frame of TJ Ford's shot, you can figure out how long it actually took. I think my information about TV fps is correct, and there are other factors that will change the elapsed time (if he caught the ball in between frames), but this is the closest estimation I can think of.
I froze it on the YouTube clip from the reverse angle, and I'd say there's a 50/50 chance he touched it. I agree that Al Horford seems like an honest guy, as well. What I don't buy is the NBA's official statement that the referee called that on the floor -- it doesn't mesh with what happened on the floor nor does it mesh with the timing. (why not say this right after the play and right after the game?) This smacks of the NBA's PR team seeing an opportunity through the AJC article to get out of a sticky situation without looking too bad.
