Titans vs. Texans - who to root for?

just like basso's position in D&D and on the "war" is in a vacuum. your arguments are just like the blind faith in bush and the gov or else you don't support the troops/are aiding the enemies bs that goes on there.

 

This is just silly. Of course a lot of people saw it - they saw him doing the same damn things then as he's doing now. The difference was that they didn't believe that after 4 years of doing the same thing, suddenly new coaching could "fix" him and suddenly change everything that they saw.

This whole idea that Carr never had a coach and thus his entire career should be ignored for blind faith was the silly part. Going into his 4th season and coming off a 7-9 year, people were talking playoffs. Then after a disaster last year, everyone suddenly acts like Capers sucked for all 4 years and he never had a decent coach, blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong - I fell for it too and was OK with trying another year of Carr. But it became quite obvious to me a while back that Carr was showing *zero* signs of progress. His completion percentages were high because he was only throwing 5 yard passes. His interceptions dropped because he stopped trying to do anything of value, etc. He wasn't doing things that contribute to winning, and he wasn't showing any signs of doing that - and no, one good game out of 4 or 5 doesn't count. Any mediocre QB in the NFL can and does do that.

To say that others couldn't see it just because you couldn't see it is just silly. Some people may not see it until next year - will they then be able to say the same thing about you? That you really didn't see it this year just because they didn't?

Some people WERE quicker to see it than others. Just as some people saw Vince's intangibles more than others, or Leinart's strengths or Bush's drawbacks more than others or what not. That's the nature of talent evaluation. And if they were right and others yelled at them for months that they were wrong, they are going to bring it up. Maybe there's a better way to handle it, but it's also to be expected on a message board where people staked out different positions.

 

Exactly, but Kubiak thought he could make Carr a respectable qb like he did to Plummer while he was there.

 

To reduce my argument to a stupid statement like that is just silly.

That 7-9 season, Capers backed away from his ridiculous scheme the first part of the season, and the Texans won like 5 games. When he returned to his way of doing things, it all went back to the norm.

And, what I and others saw in Carr, Gary Kubiak and every GM in the NFL saw in him, also.

So you can use your hindsight-colored glasses and say, "it's all so clear now" if you like, but that's not a logical way to gauge a decision. (Look it up--it's called ex post facto.)

 

BULLCRAP!!!!111 He shoulda known better, I mean if he only read on here and listened to SPORTSRADIO 610 then he'd "of" known better!!11!!!!11!111

(/sarc)

 

There were signs that Carr could be 'fixed' even during the 2-14 year. I believe it was during the Rams game when he was allowed to call his own plays for the 2nd half....and put up 24 points. Memory is a little fuzzy as I would like to forget everything about that season asap.

All I'm saying is that it wasn't silly to think that Carr could improve under Kubiak, given his history of working with QB's and Carr's history of having a different O-Coordinator every couple of weeks.

 

agree, one problem this situation here in Houston with the fans is gonna be hard to overcome.

I could see Carr going somewhere else and playing at a pro-bowl level for the next five years.

 

Where on earth do you get that? GM's saw it from his college years - where exactly did they reevaluate him after 4 years in the league? GM's see a lot of things in college - like that Ryan Leaf had superstar potential. But they re-evaluate after seeing players in the league. Where did GM's, after several years of Carr, all agree that he has something significant to offer?

 

So, you're saying I'm not more of a fan than the Texans than you? Puhlease.

 

Except it's NOT hindsight for many people. Those people saw EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEMS WE'RE SEEING NOW. Maybe I'm missing something, but this doesn't seem that complicated. If I identify something in someone from MY evaluations, and it turns out that's exactly the reality, that's not hindsight in any way shape or form.

Kubiak and you and others thought he could "fix" Carr. Kubiak and others were wrong. Others thought Carr was unfixable. They were right. It's fairly straightforward.

 

I read a bunch of quotes from different guys talking about how great Carr was--at last year's draft. Really, we in Houston were in the minority on thinking he was a bust. In fact, to this day there are some guys in the NFL singing Carr's praises.

 

You've lost me msn. Did you think Carr was a bust at last years draft? or are you slowly coming around to that opinion?

 

I'm sorry about that. At last year's draft, I thought Carr would certainly be a solid quarterback for the Texans, starting from a fair-to-middling 2006 and getting better after that. I never made Pro Bowl predictions, though.

I've defended that position (which at the time of the draft I still believe was the most defensible and reasonable position, hence Kubiak and a host of other NFL folks agreeing) for quite a long time.

Now Carr is gradually convincing me that maybe he won't be a solid QB after all.

Knowing what I know now, of course I'd like things to be different. But knowing what we knew then, it was a good decision. Hence my reference to ex post facto.

It was entirely plausible that VY looks a lot like Michael Vick and DC has a year that's a little better than what he's had. That's what I (and a host of NFL folks) were thinking.

 

But what you're saying here is that since you didn't see it until now, no one else could have. That it was a good decision then because you (and others) felt it was. How does that make any sense that only what you thought it "right" and if you didn't know it, no one else could have?

 

Wait - you said (in bold) that EVERY SINGLE GM saw it. Where is the evidence for that? Now you're saying a "bunch of different guys" did. Are there any facts to back up the former?

 

I think I understand what msn is saying, but it still doesn't really make sense to me

 

i havent really read any texans threads in a while, but I can sum up my feelings about this game in one sentence.

david carr is done as a texan if the titans win.

DRAFT KOLB

 

If they did, it means he could've brought something good in trade, which makes the decision to pass on VY even worse than it already is.