Titans vs. Texans - who to root for?

meowgi is cool with me. at least he's willing to smack down based on his views.
RM95, he's got PMS or something. I dont understand how you have a nick with the word "ROCKET" and be a coward? i only drop words, he's afraid of words.

 

Trust me, I have. I get in the car to go home from work and the first second, what do I hear? Another baby sounding like he's about to have an aneurysm because we didn't take Vince Young. Turn on the iPod.

Pick and choose people. You cannot be a Texans fan and a Titans fan. This doesn't even have anything to do with Bud Adams. This has to do with a division rival. Quit wavering on the fence and pick one. Then take this VY talk to the other forum because he is not a Texan and never will be.

 

Rooting for VY or the Titans is like rooting for Dirk and the Mavs. End of story.

 

Was dirk born in Houston?
did the mayor declare Dirk Day?

End of Story.

 

I'm sick of rooting for the Texans to lose...I had enough of that last year when it was warranted. But we got a fresh regime and a team that is playing better, so of course I'm rooting for the Texans to win.

I could care less about the Titans at this point.

And I care even less about VY. Contrary to belief, outside of the city of Austin, the world really doesn't revolve around Young. He's not a Texan. So I don't care. And honestly, I wish nothing but the best for him (and Bush). But some people, who keep beating a dead horse, are making it damn hard to appreciate the play they bring to the field. The Texans selected Mario, get over it already. I respect Kubiak's decision on taking Mario and bolstering the defense (which needed it) and trying to work with Carr; we may in fact need a another QB after this season, but at the time (last summer), Carr was among the least of this team's worries.

 

the more i hear about how we should have taken Young, the more i want him to amount to nothing.

 

Precisely, exactly, dead-on correct!!

Well said.

 

I disagree. I find it perfectly plausible to enjoy a team from the same division as one's favorite. Years and years ago, I liked the Padres a lot. When I'd catch a Saturday game on CBS and the Padres were playing, I'd root for them. When they played the Astros, however, they were the enemy.

As far as the Titans, I find it rather shallow to expect someone to cut emotional or "fan" ties with VY just because he does not play for the Texans. I went to school with a guy who played with four or five NFL teams (just not the Oilers). I was a "fan" of his and pulled for his teams to win (except against my Oilers). After everything VY did in Houston and then for UT, you've got to be smoking crack to expect people not to have a significant interest in his NFL career. If you're calling for an end to all the gratuitous whining, I hear you loud and clear and agree. But to say, "don't ever root for the Titans; they're a division rival," I believe that's over the top.

...now, if you were talking about this game only, I see where you're coming from.

 

I have no problem with someone wanting VY to do good, unless it's at the expense of their team. If they want to root for the Titans and VY because they're pissed that the Texans passed on him, so be it, but let's call a spade a spade. Plain and simple, the Titans are a division rival. Any success they have directly affects the Texans. I know you hate the term "true fan", but that's the case here. You cannot root for both the Titans and the Texans...or the Jags and the Texans...or the Colts and the Texans...and be a fan of either. Pick one and stick with it. I don't want to hear all these people rooting for the Titans this week taking joy when the Texans are good in the future.

Let me ask you this, do you really think, in the context of fandom, for someone to be a fan of the Jazz of the 90s and the Rockets of the 90s? What about the Mavs and Rockets today? Astros and Cardinals? Astros and Cubs? No way.

 

I didn't read a single post from this thread, I just wanted to answer the question posed in the thread title.

My answer, without any reservation: THE TEXANS! If you're from Houston, and you call your self a Houston sports fan, how can you root for anyone else? I loved the Oilers and was heartbroken when they left but imediately after they left, I was looking for another team to support because I felt I couldn't be a true Houston sports fan if I were to root for Bud Adams' team.

Damn the Titans and damn them forever... they're the living incarnation of my first true sports heartbreak and I will never, ever root for them, no matter how many Houston high school stars they stock their roster with. Just like I rooted for the 'stros during the Eric Anthony years, just like I rooted for the Rockets through the Francis years, I'll root for the Texans through all the David Carrs we'll ever have.

Anything less would be un-Houston-like!

 

Agreed.

Correct!! If those teams play better and the Texans *still* beat them and have a better record, their success directly affects the Texans--for the better. I want my favorites teams to run with the best and beat the best. As such, '98 and '01 were much more fun than '97 and '06.

Take that example to the extreme--what if the Jags, Colts, and Titans all *swept* their non-division opponents and split the home-and-home in-division? What if the Texans then swept their non-division opponents, then went 2-0 with the Jags and Titans and 1-1 with the Colts? 15-1 in a division with two 13-3 rivals? SWEEEEEET!!!

...because there's no such thing.

No, it's not the case here. You're imposing some code of ethics, concerning what amounts to a game at best or entertainment at worst, on people who have varying interests from you. They're not burning the American flag here. Until they retired Moon's jersey in Nashville, I liked the Titans, too--except, of course, when they played the Texans. If you think that's a character flaw, you're missing it.

...because of their bitterness over the draft pick. I get that. I understand you here.

Yes, way. I hate the Jazz, Braves, and Mets with a passion. The Dodgers, too. But I don't expect everybody else to share my biases!

On your examples--John Stockton was one of the greatest point guards to ever play the game--EVER! If someone in Houston admitted he enjoyed watching that guy work his magic, how can you blame him? You and I want to bust his chops, but in a game where the Rockets are eliminated and the guy gets like 97 assists against some other team if you can't admit that's amazing then you're the one with an immaturity issue.

The Cardinals and Astros have a lot of respect for one another. There's no bloody rivalry there. The Cards/Cubs are the real rivalry in the central part of the US. Why should I hate the Cardinals? I hope they win 95 games next year, and I hope in so doing they lose 18 games to the Astros and the Astros win 102 games. A strong Central is better for the Astros than a weak Central. Which season was more gratifying--'97 or '98??

 

Agree to disagree. You'll never convince me that there aren't different levels of fandom, though. Hell, I felt it myself earlier this year when UT beat USC. There's no way my joy at that game was better than the joy felt by those who followed the team and went to UT, or those who had been lifelong diehard fans.

Admitting something is amazing is a lot different from hoping it happens.

 

Cool.

...but you've just described an experience--a feeling. When people cry "you're not a 'TRUE FAN!!!!'" over a stinking game, they're questioning someone's character when we're really talking about feelings, experiences, and entertainment choices.

 

I'm sure you missed it in all the mess today, but I've acknowledged several times that we're discussing something as meaningless as sports. This argument is strictly in a sports vacuum. I don't mean to demean anyone's character in these arguments. Sorry if anyone's taken it that way.

 

myself and many others knew Carr sucked last summer and were calling for his head.

 

Kubiak had too much past success with resurrecting qbs (Plummer). He thought Carr would be the same. The Texans made Carr suck much more than he did. Bush would of helped too.

Thank being said, the past is the past. Go HOUSTON Texans.

 

Plummers on the bench now.

 

Yourself and others didn't know jack crap. We hashed and rehashed those arguments over and over, and frankly all the "Carr hating" going on back then never had one compelling argument. In retrospect, while I don't want to rehash all those wars all over again, JYD nailed it, and no one was "just quicker in the 'thinking department'".

It's awfully easy, in HINDSIGHT, to jump up and down like a four year old and scream, "I was right! I was right! I called it!! DC sucks!!!!!!11!11"

 

For some reason I can't stop thinking of Chris Farley