So Hoge is all you've got? Hoge has been on VY's case since before the NFL draft when he called Vince a "second-day talent" as a QB. Hoge's riding of VY is legendary and sticks out like a sore thumb. Did you see Ditka give it to him the other day? Fair to say you got nothin' here... "sketchy", "hearsay", "mostly", "nothing." Good for Mario; I love him as a player-- thought he made sense for the Texans. I think, though, that your homerism for Mario and his being under-appreciated is making you unduly harsh on the other guys.
Unduly harsh? You're crazy! Never possibly in draft history has a player had his name drug through the mud and been deemed a MORE worthless piece of garbage before he even set foot to play a down on the gridiron. He was unfairly dubbed the proverbial face of the whipping boy of the Texan franchise. EVERY week, in ANY way possible. Mario was denigrated, Kuby's coaching skills were questioned, McNair was criticized and the Texan franchise was deemed a "laughingstock" due to their shortsightedness. Now that Mario took all the criticism both potentially warranted but mostly unwarranted and he's not only showing glimpses of promise but is ACTUALLY dominating games, people like you and Tinman and Mr Dave 54321 contact want to go "ehh ... big deal" but all last year we had to listen to your guffaws, jibes and insults. When I went to the DAMN game last year at Reliant, I had to listen to VYofers insults to the point of insanity. So pardon me if paybacks are a b!tch. Not my fault VY spent more time on his endorsement and commercial campaigns rather than working on his game. BUT DO KEEP EXCUSING HIS PERFORMANCES! What is it now? 7 TDs, 15 INT's? Hmmm... probably a safe bet he's not in the top 10 or top 20 ... top 50 but, VY just wins games NOT this year! If it weren't for Sir Stompalot you're goose would already be cooked. Oh but I know, VY has healing powers! Just like that morons soundbite that the FACE and mentality of the Titans fan like it or not it's stuck to y'all like glue and it aint coming off. Right now of the 3 QB's that came out in the 06 draft in the 1st round, which were VY, Leinart and Cutler. Right now, Cutler gets the nod as the BEST CHOICE and most polished QB. That fact must burn through you like a bad jalapeno enema. As for my 'homerism'. Uh ... I guess that's because I said let's give the guy an opportunity to show his game? He played through that painful foot injury most of last year even though he could hardly practice and now, he's #2 not in the AFC in sacks but in the NFL. Is VY #2 rated in anything this year? Hmmm ... Yep, he's definitely overrated. I don't know what **** you all are smokin! Lay off the peyote already! Hoge pretty much criticizes most everyone not of the eastern seaboard but, it still shocked me personally that VY, "black Elway", was called out. Sorry only have seen Hoge don't watch every pregame, prognostication, supreme analysis game program. I have a life. So in conclusion, 'homerism' equals giving a player an opportunity to prove himself? Man, what a tool you are! Yeah, whatever. Call the "calling out" criticism weak this is the bottom line for you ... Mario is #2 in the NFL in sacks and is probably going to the probowl and the Texans ARE still in the playoff hunt though chances are slim. Reggie has an "owiee" and is out for the season. Saints on the playoff bubble. VY is having a sophomore year to forget and even better ... find a way to screw up this game with KC and your playoff hopes could be adios! Like I previously said, "don't hate the player, hate the game!"
One more for good measure, Bud likes it up the ass with a baseball bat knobby side sideways with no vaseline! LOL! Just thought you'd like to know that too!
I feel like joining the little kids room to initiate a discussion while all the kids want to do is argue, but I'll give it a shot. First of all, I'm happy for Mario and the Texans. I'm glad that on a national level, people are starting to see that the pick may have been a good one. Based on need alone, it shouldn't have been so lambasted- especially since, at the time, the Texans were committing to stay with Carr and Dom Davis looked like a good back WHEN he could stay healthy. I'll be honest and say that I thought they should have taken D'Brick to help shore up the O-line, but they chose the D-line route, which is acceptable. (And we can all see that they've found other ways to make the line great, right? Uhhh, maybe not!) Plus, I think the progression of MW, plus the help he's gotten in Okoye, has really gone hand in hand. And if they stay healthy, they should be a force for years. Now, back to VY. I really don't understand why people are so quick to write him off, other than the large amount of animosity towards people who are fans of his regardless of what he does. It's pretty clear that he didn't get any help in the offseason. In fact, his WR core got worse and he lost a top 10 rb in Travis Henry. Yes, he's made some horrible decisions at times, but that's how it often goes for a QB learning on the fly. This is still just his second season, and he came out of UT a year early as well. I guess I'm just saying my attitude with MW or VY at this point would still be one of patience. I feel their best to offer might still be a year or so away, but I guess it'll be fun to see their career arcs from here on out, and how Bush performs, too. I think it's looking like Bush isn't going to be able to handle the full-on starter job in NO, but maybe I'll be wrong about that. We'll see about that, too. Now, am I supposed to say something, blows, or sucks, or bust a "yo mama" joke in here for someone to lend my post credence?
I'm sorry...your post is incorrect. You are supposed to hate one or the other. This argument has taken on such a life of its own, that's it's largely blind on both sides. If you're a Titan fan, then Mario must suck. If you're a Texan fan, then VY must suck. And you must pepper expletives and absolutes throughout. Good luck in your future endeavors. Yo mama. (for the record, i'm with you...but don't tell!!! i'm pumped about what Mario has become....and i still think VY will be a very good QB)
***** KY ***** the Tennessee Titans ***** Bud Adams and ***** all the douche bags that root for the Titans cuz they used to be the Oilers. Just sayin......
You are being ridiculous. Mario Williams was a nearly unanimous Top Five pick. Yes there were some catcalls because the Texans passed on Bush and Young-- but those catcalls were not unanimous... and they were loudest in Houston. Apparently you are so paranoid in your mad ravings that you completely overlooked my pride and fondness for Mario Williams. I understood the pick for the Texans-- as I remembered the Jevon Kearse era in Tennessee. I see how well Mario is doing. Good for him. You are just under some delusion the Vince or Reggie had anything to do with his rough year last year. This is the rough year for Vince and Reggie; let's see what next year brings for all three. Houston had just committed to David Carr so Young made no sense. Kubiak came from the Land of No-Name Running Backs so I didn't really see his head being turned by a high profile one. Your homerism is evident by your inability to equate Mario's season last year with Vince and Reggie's season this year in terms of frustration.
It's hilarious how VYOF changes the story after he starts to suck. Everyone in the country bashed the Texans for drafting Mario. The only people that were ok with it were a small faction of Texans fans and it was because we knew that we had no other choice other than to accept it. Then over the next two years we had to hear all of the bull**** about how stupid the Texans are. Now the loudest "catcalls" were from Houston. Now we are homers because Mario is a dominant DE. Now VY gets a pass because he isn't the second coming when a hurt Mario was bashed relentlessly. How silly is that?
i'm not trying to be an ass, but did you not read the board in 2006? every VYOF, Bush fan, the media and their momma wrote off Mario. and if the excuse for VY sucking this year is b/c he didn't get any help, well, Mario wasn't afforded that excuse b/c he had a bad foot. i know what VY can do, but we're just slinging the **** back at the VYOF. now all of a sudden, it's "let's see what VY can do next year. he's a project." search for VY threads, you will find that they are hard to come by this year. but last year, we couldn't have a VY OR a TEXANS thread without someone posting a PIC OR a VIDEO of black jesus. the silence is deafening.
I've been reading the board for years, and I've seen all those threads. If you look back at them, you'll see that I wasn't the one ridiculously piling on one way or the other.... And yes, the VYOF's annoy me as much as those who lash out at the VYOF's. I guess I just miss being able to discuss this **** rationally without one faction or the other jumping in and raping the thread.... Mario has all the reasons in the world to struggle his first year. He didn't have much help, he was banged up, he had the pressure of being the number 1 pick, and it's probably one of the toughest positions to come in and succeed at immediately. I'm glad to see him succeeding now. But anyway, it's all good....IF people want to keep throwing verbal diarrhea back and forth, versus trying to rationally discuss the topic, I guess I should have come to expect that by now....
It's funny, a lot of people are saying that now. I'm not saying you are lying, just making an observation.
I don't think you meant to include me in this tirade but you did use some of the language from my post. "Everyone" did nothing... Your homerism is reflected in your tendency to write off Vince and Reggie for sub-par sophomore campaigns while chiding those who wrote off Mario for a sub-par year last year. This year Vince has been hurt off and on and he lost his top two receivers from the previous season so the guys he's working with are at least new and of suspect quality to boot. A slump due to factors such as those does not surprise me. Also, I think some of the coaching/game-planning is getting in his way. Vince has a learning curve to navigate; big deal. He has the ability and he certainly has the intangibles. And mavshater4life mocks Reggie's injury...
it took y'all poseurs 55 minutes and not two minutes like any other city? Let me know what the Hannah Montana show has to do with this discussion.
Ok, first of all, yes Mario was going to go projected at the latest #4 to NYJ and I can only imagine what kind of positive run he would get this year if he were in the big snapple instead of the media wasteland that is Houston. You know because Houston can do no right. We don't know how to field owners, GMs. We can't get good coaching. We don't have good fans The NFL wasted their time giving Houston another franchise. Bla bla bla ... So whether or not you choose to acknowledge this point is purely up to you but that does not mean that what I am saying is not true. Check the archives, chief. Mario was to be the next Andre Wadsworth, Courtney Brown or Tony Mandarich. He had no work ethic. He had no dedication. He wasn't a good teammate. In other words, he was a complete waste of a pick even though he had 17 sacks in his final season at NC State (ACC conference). But, he was projected a top 10 pick. Go figure. Second point, I NEVER SAID THIS! What happened in year one with VY and Bush was completely independent of what happened to Mario. I'm simply stating that according to local and national media sources widespread, Mario was a pick that was going to set the franchise back a decade. "Kuby's a fool. McNair's an idiot. We're hopeless. Why try? It's over before it even began ..." Meanwhile, Bush and VY media darlings. Could do no wrong and I mean NO wrong! Regardless of what happened Bush showed flashes of brilliance last year but, because he is not half the polished runner of say Adrian Peterson, his progression to being an NFL star can and will be hastened until he learns to read blocks and anticipate where the hole is opening up. VY hey kudos on his first year. He was King Midas in the flesh but, lets be honest there were some games that luck had a lot more to do with the Titans winning than purely execution. Example the Giants game but, given that one crack of daylight the Titans exploited it and got the W. My frustration was over Mario not being given a "fair chance" to prove himself worthy to be a legitimate NFL star. Every way possible that could the media could especially CBS and ESPN, they villified and denigrated Mario and the Texans on a near weekly basis. Meanwhile, Bush and VY get endorsements and the media giving them full opportunities to take swipes and digs at or indirectly at the Texans for their lack of vision. Whatever. So if all in life is fair then, Mario should have endorsements coming his way after he goes to the pro bowl and Bush and VY are sitting at home watching it! I don't get this 'homerism' kick you have. Already explained it if you don't get it then it's not my problem! Keeping smoking your peyote and reading your tea leaves.
BINGO! YAHTZEE! We have a winner! That's what I've been saying ALL along! But don't present facts to Titan fans in particular VYofers, they may get confused.
WHAAA! I want my mommy! Amazing when the shoe is on the other foot how quick people are to back track isn't it? Bla bla bla ... with extra cheese and jalapenos. What tell the truth? Be objective? Who do you think we are, hertz? Now giddyup ...
