Time to replace Shane Battier in the starting rotation?

Hahaha, this thread is great! The masses are coming around. The blind Battier supporters will call people names and find excuses until the very end, but most of us hear the sound of inevitability. We see the downward trend and negative spiral. His supporters look for any abstract number or obscure statistic to defend this overrated, overpaid, and overhyped player who has been declining right before our very eyes for years. His only real or tangible (lol) value is as an expiring contract. If Battier can help get the Rockets Iguodala, then that will go down as the biggest contribution Shane will have ever made to Rockets

Don't disrespect Bruce Bowen like that. Bowen didn't disappear in the playoffs like Shane. Bowen wasn't outplayed by bench players like Matt Harpring. Also, Battier was never the defender that Bowen was (see Bowen's ability to consistently guard PGs for example). Sure Bruce was dirty, but he did whatever it took to get the job done and has some rings to show for it. For all the talk about Battier being a "winner," he's done an awful lot of losing during his entire NBA career (see Memphis' playoff record for an example). Bowen's offensive game and ball handling make him look like an all-star when compared to Battier. Plus, Bowen had the #1 3 pt shooting % in the entire league during one of those championship runs in 2002-03, but Battier will only give you "intangibles."

Hilarious, because the people you're referring to have never criticized Battier, so there maybe some truth to that statement, lol!

It can't arrive soon enough!

 

Fans are for sure allowed to have opinions. And I am allowed to have opinions on those opinions. Especially the stupider ones.

I never said the coaches and managers decisions are always right. In fact I distinctly recall saying the exact opposite.

I AM saying that despite all their flaws, they still do a better job than 99.999 heck, 100% of the people here.

And I never said for those know-it-alls that are complaining to shut up or go away. I just like to poke fun at them. Haven't you ever messed with a r****d just for fun? I thought that was common?

With that said I'll take your advice and skadoodle.

 

i believe DD said it was "TWENTY!!" :grin:

So leads are only built by outscoring your opponent? Defense doesnt affect it? They just pray the other team misses?

Only two starters "carried their weight" in building that lead, at least if we're going by offense only.

 

You know what I like about the discussions about Battier? The unusual camaraderie that comes over the people discussing him. His nice smile brings people together among the fanbase like no other. :grin:

 

Yeah Brooks and Martin carried the team early. I dont think Battier had anything to do with that. Seeing as the Lakers stayd close enough with alot of scoring on their own.

 

This is the problem. How do you "quantify" his defense? It's as if when Kobe scores "well he played good defense" and "what can you do to stop Kobe". When it comes to team defense, he's somehow responsible for most of it, even though I saw Yao clogging the paint more than anything.

What I saw was adequate at best defense from Shane today, but really what was most disturbing was his movement (or lack of it) out there. Don't get me started on that layup attempt either.

 

who cares...i stopped caring about battier a long time ago...just chuck him to the bench in his suit (which looks better on him than a sports singlet anyways) and look at his expiring contract and not his face.

battier sucks.

his contracts not bad, tho.

 

Quit crying like little babies. I know this age is more about offense but defensive teams still win championships. Battier is our defensive leader. Battier is one of the few people who seem to take defense seriously. How many times were people left open. How many dam times did they get an offensive rebound. Did anyone see the Blake three? WTF was Brooks thinking? He didnt double but just drifted behind Gasol (i think). How dumb can a player be on such an important play? Of course Brown and Blake cant shoot so lets just let them keep shooting. Odom got a defensive rebound he cant go coast to coast.

The team was crap on defense. Those who think Chase should start are even dumber. The starting lineup does not need 5 offensive players. This isnt an allstar game.

We should be more pissed off at how Chuck played. Did a good job locking down Gasol but he could not rebound to save his life today. I just looked it up. 0 dam rebounds in almost 15 minutes. We should be pissed off at Adelman for letting Gasol own us. Why was Brad Miller guarding him? He is to slow to guard most centers how is he gonna guard Gasol.

What was that final play? Did we not learn from the past? Brooks is not gonna be able to win us a game from going into the paint. He is either gonna get trapped or get fouled but not get the call.

 

Fuzzybear you're wasting your time. Some of these guys have never even posted anything remotely critical of Battier. Their "logic" is circular. In their eyes Battier can't have a bad game no matter what. They will look for anything to vindicate his role on this team. If he puts up a decent stat line, which for him isn't much, then they are quick to point to the box score. If he doesn't provide tangible production, which is usually the case, they will freak out and start saying that you can't measure his contribution via the box score, even though they do that themselves when it's convenient. Let me give you one example that illustrates the circular logic of his blind supporters. His supporters on this website like to talk about how much the Grizzlies won while he was there and how they lost before he arrived and after he left. But when you point out the fact that the Grizzlies never won a playoff game in their entire history, they are quick to absolve Battier of all blame. Thus, in their warped world, he gets all the credit for the Grizzlies winning and making the playoffs, but none of the blame for them being swept every year they made the playoffs. That's the type of alternate reality they live in. The logic is so circular that the room they're sitting in probably starts spinning.

Why not just leave him at the bar to do drunken karaoke? I'm sure all his blind supporters would love to accompany him.

 

Battier's days are numbered. He's limited on offense and his defense is giving me crindges he's not an elite defender any more. He's so and so on defense. He's the heart and sole of the locker room, but his play is declining and it shows. He's not a ball handler and not athletic he playes with IQ. They need a closer and a enforcer in the middle.

 

whats more annoying Battier is not the biggest problem but no one cares. Its gone so far that some people complained he didnt play good enough D on Kobe. HE IS KOBE ****ing BRYANT. He makes shots look easy. No one on the Rockets can stop him.

 

We have the best back court in the league

 

I understand that, but he didn't really help us gain ground once we got down.

 

In summary: BATTIER . SUX. BAD.

In fact, Battier's days are over. Over ages ago. Battier is a scrub through and through.

Hes not a ball handler
Hes not a shooter
Hes not a slasher

In fact he is not anything apart from a scub eating the team up all by himself.

If I wanted a locker room presense I'd just go out and sign a guy called Hakeem Olajuwon and have him lead the team.

Kobe TOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE up battier today.

in fact, kevin martin did a better job on battier than battier did the whole game.

that and1 towards the end of the game on battier just sums it up all. battier is a freckin' $@@#$@ scrub.

 

and we have the worst starting SF in the league.

kind of wipes out all our backcourt's positiveness, doesnt it.

 

For all the battier haters

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2

Please take the time to read the article(quite lenghty) - It changed my perspective on shane quite a bit, and im sure it will view him in a different light.

As always, lock if posted.

 

1.trade battier and something for one of them iggy,wallace,granger,smith.
2.make a deal for a big guy like nene or thabeet because we are still very limited on c. position, ming will play limited minutes per game and miller are only good for max. 5min per game
this will make us a contenters. sorry if i got some spelling/grammer mistake(english is not my native language).

 

I'm totally with Carl Herrera and larsv8 on this. Looks like the Kwame idiocy is spreading to the other less intelligent posters.

 

Thats what goes for intelligence these days.. Keep whats not ever working and same results yearly.

 

After all? it is a three star thread and alot of posters agree.