Time to move Stevie Franchise to the 2 and trade for a point gaurd

I took a look at the numbers and the people complaining that Francis isn't a "complete" PG and ragging on the guy, Francis was one assist short of a freaking triple-double! The guy had 33 points, 11 rebounds and <b>9</b> assist! 9 assist and the guy isn't a PG!? The team as a whole had 19 assist, so the ball movement was there, Francis was running the point, defense was the problem, period.

 

I don't mean to bashed Francis, but watching him driving trough 4 defender and knowing Griffin, Mobley and Rice at one time tonight waiting for a passed but francis proceed to the rim. How selfish you can be, a true point guard will make sure that the ball is well distributed to the open man and will make players a better player.

 

This board has become really stupid. Steve nearly drops a triple double, Cuttino leads a furious fourth quarter comeback and *they* are the problem.

Before you morons trade the roster before the 10th game of these season why don't you let the team play together a while and cut out the knee-jerk BS.

 

I think Francis had nine assists tonight, and once again he hit some wide open players who missed shots win they were wide open.

Look at how the team played when Francis was on the floor. Then look at the team played when Francis wasn't on the floor because of foul trouble, especially in the third quarter.

Steve definitely makes this a much better team.

 

Francis is averaging per game..

30.25 Points
10 Rebounds
5.25 assists.

He is also shooting better then 50%...

This guy is playing FANTASTIC....I seriously doubt the Rockets would be 2-2 without him.

The Rockets need some time to JELL......

Seattle beat the Rockets by playing smart basketball...pass it to the open guy when doubled....

It is exactly what Rudy is trying to do....

It will come......

Francis ROCKS this year, he is playing PHENOMINAL ball......

DaDakota

 

steve could again have easily had 15 assists if guys were hitting jumpers. the guy is working out there, but the team is young.

payton has been one of the best players in the league for the past decade, comparing him now in experience level to steve is a joke and unfair. francis is on the right course to a similar hall of fame career. tonight iverson could have run the point and dished out 18 assists the way radmanovich and the sonics were shooting.

seattle has been together for a while and at this point are as hot as any team in the league. i mean the season is long, there can't be this much bullsh!t after every loss. give the rockets a fair amount of games and i think we'll see a very good team develop over the course of the season.

 

it makes me wonder whether Francis need to make like what? at least 15 assist to be called a PG? SF throws out 9 assists tonight!! What more are u guys asking for man?

it doesn't takes a team to have a pure pg to win games, but it does take a player who will try his best to not let the team loss in the game. That will give lots of morale support to the team, its the trust u get when ur best player is in the game, bringing the intensity of the whole team on defense and offense up!!

plus, without the 9 assist from francis, we will get 18 pts less.... that's makes it a 25 points game...... look at the 3rd quarter!!!

 

9 assists is roughly what Starbury has averaged for his career....it's NOT just the numbers, as said in another thread, it's the degree to which he looks shoot first, and the detrimental effect that has on his teammates, both in terms of not getting the ball, or often getting it only after Steve has burned up a lot of time trying to beat his man, so that the offense has to rush...just as said about Starbury...

 

I don't think our problem is Steve so much as Cat as far as ball movement. When you have a PG that scores a lot the last thing you want is a blackhole like Cat at SG. Do you want your Gaurds taking 35 shots a night? I don't.

I love Cat, but his style and Steve's are definitely going to be problematic. Either Steve needs to learn to pass more and someone else needs to step up as a frontline scorer (Cat's 43% is not frontline) or Cat needs to go and we need to bring in a defensive, ballhandling SG (like Christie).

I love Cat and Steve which is what makes this hard, but I definitely won't believe we can be Championship contenders with them together until I see it.

 

Guys,

You do realize that Steve took...ONE whole shot more then Gary Payton...ONE LOUSY SHOT !!

And you are saying Payton was great and Steve was lousy.

What a crock of crap.

Steve played great, and I am pretty sure if he and Cato do not go out with foul trouble that allowed Seattle to make a run, that the Rocks win this game.

Sheesh !!

DD

 

That Francis guy made me so mad tonight, can you believe that he missed ten shots tonight!!!! I think we ought to trade him for Vin baker, he makes alot of money plus he could help this team alot. . You haters are ridiculous.

 

Time to lock this tired, sad, garbage POS redundant thread.

 

I don't think the problem is our backcourt. The problem is that our starting 3 & 5 avg. 6 points a game, and our bench is even more pathetic. Where's Nachbar?

 

Maybe for once we need to take the blame off the guy averaging a double double and almost 6assist per game, and shooting over 50% and put a little bit of the blame to where it belongs, his teamates. If these guys could just hit their open shots there would be no arguments right now.

 

By the way, the only reason Payton got so many assists was because his team could not miss. Our lack of defense gave them wide open shots and they capitalized. More than half of his assists were just regular passes and he was fortunate that his boys hit their shots.

 

Don't give me the "Francis got a near triple double so he's beyong criticism" stuff.

Steve Francis is a shooting guard locked in a PG's body. That's his problem all along.

PERIOD.

How's that Francis hating?

Francis is a great player but he's not an ideal point guard. By the standard of a good point guard, he's not getting his teammates involved enough, which is further magnified by Mobe's non-involving style.

To put it simply:

His career 6.5 assists average sucks for a "premier" point guard. (His teammates sucks? Tell that to A.Miller who averaged 11 apg with the crappiest team in the NBA).

His career 3.72 turnovers average sucks for a point guard.

His low assists/Tos ratio sucks for a point guard.

Worst of all, he's not showing significant progress in that regard year after year.

29 points, 10 rebounds, 4.7 assists and 5 Tos a game. Does it look like a point guard's numbers?

Go figure.

Francis walks like shooting guard and plays like a shooting guard so he should be a shooting guard.

 

Amen i couldn't have said it better myself. Also as a fan when i was watching the game all i could think when Steve picked up that 3 foul was oh great now what are we gonna do. I have no confidence in any of the other players on the Rockets. I'm sure deep down inside Francis thinks the same thing that why he seems to try to take on the other team all by himself.

 

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His career 6.5 assists average sucks for a "premier" point guard. (His teammates sucks? Tell that to A.Miller who averaged 11 apg with the crappiest team in the NBA).

If this is true what does it say about our team, since Cleveland had a better record than us last year; and a few other teams. Wouldn't that make us the crappier team, or one of the other few teams the crappiest in the NBA.

 

I am so sick of reading the same redundant $hit about Steve after every game when he single handedly keeps us in every game. When he was out in the 3rd period with foul trouble is when Seattle made that ridiculous run. Steve had 9 assists tonight, he always tries to get people involved. Most of the players he passes to generally have a bad shooting %, thats not his fault. Tonight, Eddie was hitting and thats where he got most of his assists. When Steves not in the game, we suck. End of story.

 

From the context in my post, the comparison was made from the angle of overall talent. Everyone knows we got more talent but less luck than the Cavs - if it was not for the injuries we wouldn't land Yao Ming though.