More contradictions. From a one man team warrior to a selfish player to a bad attitude player to a discouraging teammate. Whats next? I'm not even bothered to prove you wrong.
i never said he was a one man team warrior. maybe im not making my self clear enough or maybe you just need to read a little closer
You are entitled to your own opinion but as respectfully as I am trying to say this...you will get a lot of heat for the rubbish you're posting. Also my apologies, i had no reason to call you out for not being a rocket's fan seems like you are but man...the hate on T-MAC was ...well comical
None of the players listed can do the things on the court that Tmac could. Joe Johnson is a softer, but younger version of him...But Ben Gordon, Luol Deng, Josh Smith (vs. Western Conference power forwards?), Josh Childress? Give Tmac some respect when you mention trading him for somebody. How many players at 6'8 with long arms, can play shooting guard, can make plays for teamates, can shoot over any perimeter defender from mid range or 3 point range, and can finish with authority when healthy?? Plus he can rebound and one of few guys who's shut down Dirk Nowitzki before for 7 games (The man can play D when called upon to do so), and he's only 28 years old. Here are a few guys that are either better or at the same level: Kobe, Lebron, and Chris Paul (all 3 clearly better at this point) I would accept a trade for any one of these players. Dwade,(hasn't won without Shaq, but is injured often in his defense) Paul Pierce (hasn't led a team on his own anywhere in the East...) Manu Ginobili (still not sure how a team would do with him leading them night in and night out without the best power forward in the history of the NBA) Deron Williams (he can ball, but can't do everything Tmac can, but he is a great playmaker just like CP3) Joe Johnson (very young, but has potential, but very soft, but a better shooter, but hasn't been successful without Nash) Dirk Nowitzki (Maybe more difficult to guard than any perimeter player, but he can't create the way any of the guys listed above can, and can't play defense, but a very talented and gifted offensive player) People below Tmac: Baron Davis (plays with heart, and aggression, but he played street ball for Nellie) Carmello Anthony (Pure scorer but no Basketball IQ, and no defense or playmakeing abilities. Allen Iverson (tough as nails, but low basketball IQ, and is already 32, and would take shots away from Yao, instead of utilizing him) Gilbert Arenas (Talented, but too big headed to care about winning, the world revolves around Agent Zero according to him) Caron Butler (good scorer, but not as talented overall as Tmac) Ray Allen (Greatest shooter of our era, very smart Bball IQ, but aging and injury prone, not as versatile as Tmac either) Michael Redd (Great shooter and can put up big numbers, but no defense or playmaking ability) Richard Jefferson (Great athlete, but not nearly as skilled as anybody listed above. Great 3rd option Rip Hamilton (great catch and shoot player, but not one to create much on his own) Ron Artest (Crazy, plays amazing defense, but not a franchise player, and his head isn't always working the right way...) Shawn Marion (Very limited offensively without a playmaker, but a nice defensive player and rebounder) Kevin Martin (another Rip Hamilton, but with a few more offensive moves) Brandon Roy (Very young, but not as explosive as most of the people listed above, but a nice, young talent nonetheless) Kevin Durant (may be the next tmac, but has a lot of growing to do, even on the offensive end...will be a nightmare matchup in a couple of years) The point I'm trying to make is that for a guard, Tmac is a VERY rare talent, considering what all he can do. He's a matchup nightmare for anybody...Look at this thread when yall consider trading away one of the top 5 overall talents at the guard/small forward position. Not many people in the NBA can do everything Tracy McGrady can do. We are lucky to have him on our team. Give this team one healthy year, and then see how we do...If we don't win with the best center in the league and a top 5 shooting guard, how will we win with less talent that won't make others better??/ If that doesn't help, how many players can make Chuck Hayes, Dikembe Mutombo, Pat Burke, Steven Hunter, a fat Shawn Kemp, and Andrew DeClerque scorers!!!??? while averaging over 25 ppg for the last 7 years??? Only a handful can say they've done that...
C'mon guys we got to win now I mean its been over a decade since we won our last championship and I dont want to wait and be like the freakin clippers or Utah or whatever. I dont want the Rockets to wait another decade just to be another contender. We are playing well now we were just hampered by injuries and if you want to trade some players then trade for ones that would help us get over the hump. I dont want the Rockets to be a joke of a franchise like the Clippers. Clippers = Worst Franchise Ever. Being on the Clippers is like being in Purgatory.
I'm just saying you have to be pretty talented, when you are able to get offensively challenged players to score more than they should ever score, at the shooting guard position, while having to score 25ppg. There are plenty of players who can score and put up big numbers for themselves, but not many can do that while making even the worst offensive players into scorers. As a fan, I'm big on playmaking, thats makes a player a lot more dangerous IMO.
You are right on the dot, don't worry about the idiots thinking of trading TMAC, all your points were perfect. Thank God our GM is as smart as you are so don't worry about Tracy being traded it wont happen. After his contract is over i hope he resigns or retires as a rocket, people underestimate his will, to lose that many times and still focus like he does, taking a team of nobodies to the playoffs and having your knee drained of fluid before game 6 and putting 40,10, 5 on the board is remarkable to me. Who remembers Kobe last yr? The only other guy i think that can carry a team to the playoffs DEMANDED to be traded last season after they lost.
Ohh okay, thats cool, just want to make sure my point makes sense to everybody, lol. Hopefully people will realize just how talented of a player Tmac was, and even after various injuries, still is...he may not have the thunderous dunks anymore or put average 32 ppg, or make ridiculously hard shots look so easy as he once did, but like all great players, he changed his game according to what his body is capable of doing, and not worrying about trying to win scoring titles and getting on SportsCenter top 10 plays. I'm glad he's finally won a lot of respect in Houston, but hopefully the few that are holding out on that will come to their senses as well...
seriously guys...tmac played like a top 3 player in this serie he may had one soso game but thats all...even kobe has bad games in the playoffs but the things about tmac is even if he is not scoring he does SO much more an incredible player that we are lucky to see play imagine what he can do in the future with yao and an other scorer wow i cant wait
i agree with most of your post. BUT.... 1) paul pierce is not on the level of tracy. he has an arguably talented team and yet you can see he's clearly not the guy as evidenced by the past few yrs with him can't even lead boston to the 9/10 seed in the freakin' east by himself. and now barely beating the hawks 2) dwade had one super year when he won the championship. the past 2 yrs, he hasn't been the same. he's still a borderline all-star, but we all saw how he played last yr. 3) manu - when you're not a superstar, how can you compare yourself to a superstar? he's a terrific 2.5 option (midway b/t 2nd/3rd option). 4) joe johnson - he avg only 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg in the playoffs. the reason the hawks won those games were more of a credit to josh smith than joe johnson. i can't believe you put guys like arenas, iverson, melo under joe johnson. 5) deron - don't need to say much. but i do agree with you tmac is not on the level of kobe/lebron/paul, who i think are the 3 best players in the L right now. none of these guys would make us better.
Thanks for the compliments...and I do agree with you 100 % about how well Tmac did, even though he was hurt from Head to Toe on his left side, and he averaged 27 ppg, 8 rpg, and 7 apg...just unbelievable. The man played hurt, which people used to question, he led the team 2 years in a row, with out much talent or with rookies(while being double and triple teamed), and led us to 50 win seasons without Yao for over 25 + games. With bad coaching, Tmac is a scoring title and a highlight reel, but with good coaching, he is a smart playmaker who makes his team better, and can take over games when needed. Some people just don't realize that he's changed his game because of injuries, and yet is still very effective. You don't have to be a highlight reel who averages 30 ppg to be a great player. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James are incredible and durable athletes, so they are able to do both for many seasons, but Tmac is smarter now and is still a top 5 talent in the league as far as wing players go.
he could have played much better than the 27, 8, 7 he posted against a very physical team. that's how good tracy mcgrady can be IF HEALTHY. he clearly wasn't. you can see that.
WOAH THERE!! Before the injury last season in February, he was averaging 29/8/5/2.2/1.4 on 49% shooting, including being one of the best clutch players in the league. He also led the team to a 15-12 record without Shaq, Walker, Williams, and Riley quitting on the team. When halthy, D-Wade is easily a top 5 player.
Lol if McGrady never had a bad back throughout his life, he'll be better than MJ and averaging 50/15/15
Well, Dwade, Paul Pierce, Manu Ginobili, and Joe Johnson are similar type of players to Tmac. Thats why I put them there. Deron Williams and Manu Ginobili should be moved down, now that I thought about it a little longer. You are right about Wade, but the same can be said for Tmac, if healthy, they are both AMAZING players. Paul Pierce, I do agree with you, is not as good as Tmac, but I think he's better than a lot of players I listed below Tmac, so that was why I put him in the same class, but I do see your point as well. Joe Johnson, I think is very similar to Tmac right now, but he could only dream of being as good as Tmac in his best days from 2001-2005. But as far as skillset, they are very similar, and he can get away with shooting jumpers, because he is a good shooter, but nowhere near the athlete Tmac is when healthy. Manu Ginobili, I think he is a good player, and he has performed on the biggest stage multiple times, BUT, we won't know how good he is until he plays without Duncan for a good stretch the way Tmac played without anybody in Orlando and how he played without Yao the last 2 years. Deron Williams with a skilled big man is dangerous, but can't take over a game the way Tmac does or even CP3 or Steve Nash as point guards night in and night out. You made some very good points. I just don't want people to think that I believe Tmac is the best player to ever walk the earth, but that he is talented and more so than most wing men in the NBA.
