I know you said "max" when referring to the Rockets' window with Tmac but that is still too generous. The window is closer to two years max. Time to move McGrady if the Rockets can get a 70% return for him. He is too injury prone and far too inconsistent. Yes, he is a top 5 swingman in the NBA when he is 100% healthy. The only problem is that he is only 100% healthy for the first 10 games a season and the rest of the time he is either out or he is playing hurt. He has shown he isn't a guy who can play at a high level consistently when he is hurting. His entire offensive game falls apart when he is injured. He has problems finishing at the rim (and he doesn't get calls like he should) and his already streak jumper goes straight to hell. What the Rockets are getting from Tracy is less and less each season. Realistically you get the superstar "Tmac" for 10-15 games a season, a hobbled, poor shooting but overall effective Tracy McGrady for about 50 games a season (and the playoffs) and him in a suit for 10-15 games a season. The worst part is that things will only get worse as he enters his 12 season. Give me two good to very good players who are durable, efficient and smart players who can push guys like Head, B. Jackson, Novak and even Mutombo out of the playing rotation. This team would be great with a big, strong SG/SF who slashed to the rim (and didn't get hurt every other game) and a PG (backup or starter) who could hit the three at a high clip and truly run the offense. A dead eye shooter (who is actually an NBA player...not Novak) would be nice too. No trade is going to give the Rockets equal value for Tmac but when McGrady is only Tmac a dozen times a season then is this team really losing that much if they get a couple of good, solid rotation players for him?
Hey as a ***, i do not mind to see Yao play for another team if THAT team is competitive. I am just tired of seeing the Rox not getting enough talents to surround him with Tmac. I am tired of the Rox not pursuing someone as high a caliber player as Artest. I am tired of the Rox not consider trading Tmac for Kobe when the Lakers are looking to listen at the beginning of the season. I am tired of the Rox not able to grab high caliber players while other elite teams continue to acquire good quality players such as the Suns w/ Oneal, Mavs w/ Kidd, Nuggets with Iverson, Celtics w/ Garnett + Ray Allen and Lakers w/ Gasol. I think with the exception of Yao, Scola and Landry and possibly Battier....everyone should be open for trade possibility.
Since everyone loves Yao so much, you should just keep him. It doesn't matter that he goes out about 30 games per season. As long as nobody is complaining and the organisation wants to build around him, he'll be fine. Tmac, on the other hand, is the one who should be traded. I know I don't wanna work at a place where everyone hates me even though I work my ass off. Plus, Tmac may have better chance getting out of the 1st round somewhere else.
I have no problem discussing a trade scenario involving Yao but I just happen to think it is many time more difficult to find a decent center that can do the things Yao can than it is to find a good wing player. At this point I am open to any discussion that makes the team better...regardless who is traded.
How about instead of talking about trading Tracy, we talk about aquiring a backup at the 5. I mean face it, Yao can't stay healthy and most likely won't next season. He plays year round basketball and at that height, his body is going to take punishment. Deke, oh how I love Deke, but he's old and I doubt he'll even come back. So as of right now, we need someone to rely on if Yao falls again (which there are high chances for). Yes, before you bash me saying "we need a point", yes I know that. But, Rafer keeps stepping up everytime we bring in someone new. Yes it would help if we could get someone like Derrick Rose, but at the expense of T-Mac? I don't think so!
Could we get a back up 5 that would get us any closer to the championship than where we are now? What can we realisticly get some difference makers with out trading some key players?
But T-Mac is not a good wing player...he is one of the rarest players i the league, and one of only 2-3 that can give you 23/6/5 each season and put up 27/8/7 in the playoffs. Since his arrival in Houston, he has been top 3 in usage % in the league each year...with the Rocket srecord with and without T-Mac in that time, it is clear that he is absolutely essential to our success. Deng, Gordon, Smith...none of those guys can do the kind of things T-Mac can do, and neither can a bunch of average role players. And if we do get a bunch of role players, it is clear that Yao is still not a good enough passer or versatile enough to run an offesne through ala KG, Shaq in his prime or Duncan. Unless we can get LeBron, Kobe or Wade in return, we will only get worse in a trade involviing T-Mac.
Oh no, I was kind of looking forward to the Tmac/Kobe duo. The Tmac/LeBron would be exciting to watch too. Imaging two players with that kind of passing abilities playing on the same team, just hold your breath and enjoy!!!
Trading YAO is truly Morgaging the Future If you trade YAO . . .then you got AT MOST 4 yrs with Tracy You trade Tracy I think Yao has at least 6~7 more years Rocket River
the thing is also applies to yao. if you want to trade young now, we're going to waste yao's prime years. with his recent injuries, yao might just have 3-4 great years left. so if you want to trade tmac, you want to get back players who will also be near his level so we can win now. if you're gonna get derrick rose, might as well wait 2 years until he's a star. by then, yao might not be as good.
I dont think this team needs any major trades just minor tweaks and we will be fine. I think this season has been scripted anyways.
with yao's injuries, it's not looking that way. plus, yao can probably only play 30-32 minutes the rest of his career, which means he wouldn't have the impact that franchise players should. unless you surround yao with MULTIPLE all-stars, it's not going to work. with the stress fracture, this organization knows yao will never be able to put in the heaving lifting anymore (35+ mpg). if i can get howard/amare, i'd do that deal without hesitation.
It is deffinately time to move him In this physical leage we need warriors like scola laundry yao, and with the way mcgrady performed in the playoffs his trade value is pretty high. Lets face it Mcgrady is soft, when adversity comes to him he shys away like a little kid. One time i saw scola arguing with the reff and a guy from another team and mcgrady scolded scola as if scola was in the other team. It makes no sense. Trade him for talented players that will fight day in and day out. thats my opinoin
Last time I checked T-mac fought in the playoffs every year he's been in it. If McGrady was so soft he wouldn't have put up the numbers he did on a bummed knee and hurt shoulder. Yeah he sure looks soft out there. You say his value is high because of how he played in the playoffs but yet in the next sentence he is soft. I don't think someone who is soft value would be so high.
Too bad Les said it out front that he wants to keep the Yao-Tmac nucleus. Too bad, but nice try anyways dude
he is soft in that he doesnt stand up for him self when hard nosed players go at him. He is always complaining of naging pains, complains that he is tired. When he admits he is tired and he cries about his injuries he is already mentally defeated .its not a coinsidense that he has never gotten out of the first round.
Like Where? Take in consideration 1. what they would have to give up to get him. 2. If you say somewhere in the EAST . . .you are basically saying the best way for him to get out of the 1st round is to lower the barr of competition. Which is a legit reason . . . . I guess . . but kind of a back handed compliment Where ever you think he would have a better chance of getting out of the 1st round IMO will be a place were he is SOLIDLY the #2 guy DALLAS: Trade T-Mac for Dirk . . and neither team improves SAN ANTONIO: Trade T-mac for Parker - I think the Spurs are worse .. . If you say trade for Ginobili . . well you saying he is a SOLID #3 option . . . LA. LAkers: Trade T-mac to Lakers for Kobe . . please . . .Gasol ok maybe DEnver: Nuggets T-mac for mello would make them marginally better and would make the rockets worse T-Mac for AI - See above Phoenix: T-mac for Nash or Amare?? PLEASE Utah: Are they better with T-mac instead of Dwill. . . . better with T-mac instead of Boozer? I am open this [though I know trading for them is not an option] Take a look across the league at the #2 guys on their team because I cannot think of too many #1 guys that T-mac would make their teams better . .well not in the west any way Places T-mac could improve the team is Seattle: T-Mac > Durant - that would be really morgaging their future Portland: T-mac > [who the hell is their #1 guy anyway] - young squad LA Clippers: Brand - are the clippers better with T-mac instead of Brand? They would be better with T-mac instead of Cuttino . .or Kaman - would they be better enough to goto the Second Round???? Golen State: T-mac in that offense? Trading him for their #2 - would be an Improvement. Trade him for Baron Davis . ..do you think they improve drastically . . .enough to get out the 1st round? Rocket River maybe I am wrong . . . let's discuss this. . that is what this board is about
