i cant belive people will goat such lengths topash one guy. Juugie has his faults, so does everyone else. Dont kick him till he is dead. He did make some valid points in this thread. You are playing lower than juugie's level by insulting him. I personally dont see what he did that was so wrong?
farhan I dont agree with you that much but I agree with you now.. I've seen much worse poster's than Juugie.. some people that go out of their way to call people names and insult them. He is biased but at least he isnt rude to other posters.. but im tired of people bashing.. be it the players or other posters. J
Maybe he is SF3 Now, go shoot some jumpers instead of wasting your time here. Or, he could be Yao himself, who wants to get traded out of Houston -G'day-
This is the only well-reasoned, interesting point you've made in this thread. And to give you credit, it is interesting. Alright, here's a question... do you believe that: A. The white majority prefers non-black players because they're racist or B. The white majority simply dislikes the "style" of basketball most commonly associated with black players. At best, there's nothing wrong with this. At worst, it's racial profiling... which is not inherently racist, but rather merely unfair to the profiled section who does not actually possess the characteristics in question (in other words, profiling is not ethically wrong if there is a statistical correllation... but it does really suck for some individuals). I would assume it's some of both, although I'm guessing that I see less of a problem than you. I'm sure it's true for some basketball fans... but mostly, I think people prefer Yao because he's unselfish, efficient, and growing as a player (all qualities which your boy doesn't possess).
You are showing your bias. Care to explain how you came to the conclusion that more than half of them were white? You are lying again (and showing your bias). Whatever. If that was true, why would people even be Rockets fans in the first place. Or is the next thing that you are going to say that more than half of the Rockets are white?
I too think Juugie makes a really good point here. I also think a lot of players and people around the NBA are aware of this fact as well and that's why we some some backlash against Yao from a lot of black players and commentators. Take last year's ROY vote. It seemed like the people who revealed their vote voted pretty much by race.
I don't understand. Why do you have to make it a race issue here? Can it be that people (white or non-white) like Yao because of the his style of play, his fundamental skills and his personality rather than his color of skin?
Juggie, Sometimes you do make me annoying because you keep speaking something based on intentionally filtered information. FYI, most of people in this forum do criticize yao as far as I know (excluding some absurd YOFs), they do blame him when he is supposed to be blamed. If all your argument is to aim at some really absurd YOFs, I think it is a fight between two minority groups, it doesn't deserve posts again and again. (just my opinion, of course you have right to start the threads as much as you can.) What really baffles me is you keep saying something like yao IS NEVER GOING TO BE ...... This is a very strong argument. If you want to predict a good second-year talent that he is never going to be great, or carry a team, you have to think about it very carefully. To look back, how many of us think yao will be a starter in the first season after watching first couple of games, not mention to in a close race for ROY. And how many of us predict he can battle with Shaq in the game before ASG in the second year? The fact is he is beyond our expecation in the first year, and he does develop, if not as fast as your expectation, in his second year. So just don't say something too early, like he will be at best as someone, or he will never do something. You have to eat up your own words someday. Talk about bias, I admit some people here do have some bias for Yao. However, you yourself is someone under this category, but against yao. You keep saying that SF plays poor because he sacrifices too much for yao. Do you really think this is true? It is true that SF is in some trouble because he is adjusting to a new system. Don't forget this is the same thing Yao is facing. And the difficulty of adjustment of yao is not easier than SF. So please give them some time to see if it is working. -Littlefish
BTW, if you talk about who the fans want in this team, I believe Duncan and KG are our top options. As I know, both of them are black. The only problem is we can't land them except in the fantacy game. -Littlefish
As rockets fans, we pay time and/or money for enjoying, enjoying the beauty and winning basketball. Whoever showes this part of quality on the court will be highly praised. Forget about the race issue. Juggie. You are too serious at this point.
Kobe, Garnett, Dirk, Jermaine, TMac, none of them were impact players the second year in the league. Actually Yao was ahead all these 5 players in the second year of playing in the leauge. The only (super)star players who were already star players during their sophomore seasons in recent memories are Shaq, Duncan, and Iverson.
The thing with Juggie is (I guess), he was against Yao from the very begining and he made it abundently clear, and he is the kind of guy who refuse to change his mind. After seeing Yao proved he was the bust Juggie predicted, Juggie had to find other ways to bash him. Actaully, I am afraid that Juggie is hoping that Yao fails to prove he is right. Of course Juggie will deny this, but just look at his track record. He call Yao a cancer, whose joining Rox only made a borderline playoff team win few games, and who has to go so that SF can get his game back. I really doubt that a true Rox fan would constatly say things like that.
The biggest problem I see with Yao is that he tends to play to his level of opposition. He's great against great players, and poor with poor players. I don't understand it. However Yao is getting better. The games I've been able to see (good or bad), he is playing with a lot more authority. He's scoring 3 more points a game, his shooting percentage is over 53%, his rebounding average is up. If he makes the same level of improvement in his third year, and his scoring goes to near 20 ppg, then yeah, we'll have someone good on our hands. For those wanting a comparison, Dirk Nowitski is probably the closest. But Yao was more polished coming out and so his starting "level" was higher than Dirk's. If he follows the Nowitski pattern, then he'll be borderline great next year and be one of the best by the 4th. We'll see. Dave.
The only way that Jungie can win is that Yao has some career ending injury in the near future, which I believe will Jungie cream in his pants for days.
