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Time for Yao to step up and take the blame.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Juugie, Feb 29, 2004.

  1. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

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    Sort of. Whatever the chance is that Yao will prove himself, he deserves a chance and that chance doesn't come until SF leaves. SF has had his chance and his time is up. The worst thing one can do is not to change and stick to what is not working. Having SF as the leader of this team simply doesn't work!
     
  2. thegary

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    i'm not disagreeing with you but i just think you are oversimplifying the issue. the main problem with our team is that we have no leadership, no identity. steve can't lead because he is uncomfortable in the system. yao's disposition and still acclimating game hold him back. really, i don't know the answer but there does not seem to be an easy fix.
     
  3. canoner2002

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    Sir Jackie, what a great job you have done! I am sure the posts you collected were only a small fractions of the bashings troll Juggie did in the past two years. Keep them coming. This will tell many newcomers what Juggie is about.
     
  4. aries323

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    This team IMO needs "tweeking" but not "blow up".

    Yao should and IMO will be surrounded by smarter players who can pass and shoot (ie. Kings). I see a lot of similarities between Yao's game and those of the Kings ( Divac, BMiller ).

    All three can pass, shoot the mid-range jumper, mediocre rebounders, but all smart players IMO.

    Imagine if we had Yao, (another Divac, BMiller type) PF, SHOOTING forward, SHOOTING guard, and PG (Bibby, Nash type pg.)

    There is already a blue print for a winning team. We should look at how the Kings have surrounded their team with smart players who can knock down the open jumpers.

    Francis, Cuttino, Motay, and Cato all have trade value. Plus we have our TE. If CD wasn's so damn attached to these players they should have IMO been considered to be moved.
     
  5. canoner2002

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    Yao needs a supporting cast to get used to NBA games and his role as the leader of this team. I am not saying the day SF leaves, Yao will be ready. But if SF doesn't leave, Yao will never be ready!

    Did we expect SF to repeat what Dream did right away after we established SF as the man? No. We gave him time.

    Deal SF, give Yao a real chance to show what he can do. Make him earn the max contract.
     
  6. DollarBill

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    Thank u guys. thank u, sir Jackie Chiles for giving me a chance to see who Juugie really is. For once, i actually believed Junngie's stories, and agreed with his claims to certain extent. However, after i've seen all the posts he posted before, now, it seems so clear that Junngie is a pure ignorant, biased Yao hater. What's making me wonder is that why Juuge already prejudged Yao long before Yao entered NBA. To u, Juugie, how thick is ur skin? u still have guts and face to show up on this board pretending u care about Rockets, and pretending that u believe Yao is the man on his team even when we all know what u stand for. Man, how dumb are u?
     
  7. declan32001

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    There are some people here I may disagree with 90% of the time but I do have respect for people here. But Juugie this thread is so idiotic it actually make's my head hurt.

    Do you know a basketball is round?
     
  8. hkomives

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    I saw a San Antonio game recently where Duncan was in the deep post and the ball wasn't passed to him, he reacted by putting both arms out and mouth wide open ( Meaning WTF guys, give me the ball). Yao is only in his second year, he cannot behave like Duncan at this time.
     
  9. Life2Def

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    Next Season there will be excuses for Yao.
     
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    Yao didn't take away from Steve's game, Steve himself took away from his own game. In fact, Yao probably should deserve credit for improving Steve as a player. SF used to be a selfish player who excels in a "player-above-team" system, which we all know and have seen, will never take us anywhere. Now that JVG is here and instills more of a team offense, players like SF will suffer from a lower statistical output but the team, as a whole, will improve. He just needs to adjust and develop within the new system. Look at JJ. He not nearly as talented of a player as SF is, but he does just fine within the system.
     
  12. Juugie

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    Ok, since most of you think Yao deserves very little if any blame for the Rockets losing, why then do you think he deserves any credit when they win?

    I'm just syaing be fair. You can't say Yao is 100 percent reason why we win but 0 percent reason when lose.

    It's funny how anyone that thinks Yao has major holes in his game are idiots. Maybe the same people that are so quick to question the intelligence of someone else should understand that one of the first rules of logic is that you can't dispute an opinion - only a fact. I have my opinion, you have yours. But I have never called anyone an idiot for thinking Yao is god.

    Also, it is my experience that people resort to name calling - idiot, troll, etc - when they can't defend their position and have nothing worthwhile to say.
     
  13. Juugie

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    Dude, it will take ten years from now before some people admit okay maybe Yao isn't the next Kareem. I can assure you that even if the ship Cat and Steve out, if Yao doesn't become dominant, it will be the fault of whoever we bring in in return.

    Even when Steve was out with the suspension, and all of Yao's excuses were gone and he did nothing, people STILL refused to admit that Yao had let down the team.
     
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    well yao is certinly moving up. He is a 2nd to third tier player overall, but since in these days of the nba, the center is the weakest postion. SO yao is a first tier center. But you cant look at one season for steve and say he is worse than ming. Steve has a better overall carear than Ming(Ming is only in his 2nd year), so steve through his carrer is a 1st to 2nd tier star. But definitly not this year.
     
  15. sums41

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    Finally someone said it, he is now officially the top scorer, he should be the one to blame every once in a while, but not the only one to blame, i really don't like JVG bringing in Pike over Nachbar or Padgget, I think boki and padgget would bring some much needed offence if only they would play.
     
  16. room4rentsf

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    couple points.

    I think Yao becoming the leading scorer is more of SF3's struggles than Yao's dominance and I agree to an extent that Yao needs to share the blame. As do Cat, JJ and JVG, Stevie French Fries shouldnt be all alone carrying the burden. (its unfair IMO)

    J
     
  17. sums41

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    Stevie French Fries ? :confused:
     
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    I don't know how many of you guys agreed with this blue print for success, I for one wholeheartedly agreed. If we have smart and unselfish player like the kings have, with Yao, nobody can stop us. That means championship, not just a winning team. Since we can't do nothing now that the trading deadline passed, as a Rockets fan, I'm just hitting my punching bag madly when we lost these very winnable games by playing individual ball, no teamwork what so ever. I just pray that Van Gundy do something about it. Either by benching some guys or just outright suspend these unwilling selfish players.
     
  19. haven

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    Juugie is an idiot... and a biased one at that.

    1. Not all opinions are equal. Deal with it. His aren't supported by logical inferences, but rather irrational conjecture and bias. Everyone is entitled to an opinion - but that doesn't mean that they're equally valid. To say otherwise is to argue that all opinions are completely irrational - which would in turn mean that they're basically meaningless.

    2. Yao is one of the most statistically efficient players in the league.

    3. The Rockets are performing better relative to the past few years.

    4. Yao takes fewer shots than another player on the team. The offense, quite obviously, is not run through him

    5. The personnel was not assembled with a dominant center in mind.
     
  20. lalala902102001

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    This team is finally going to make the playoffs this season.

    Keep that in mind.
     

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