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Time for Yao to step up and take the blame.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Juugie, Feb 29, 2004.

  1. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

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    the problem is: Yao doesn't get the ball enough. Offense starts with guards, not Yao. Whenever Yao misses a few shots, he will most likely be ignored for the rest of the games. But even SF misses 10 shots straight, he still keeps shooting because he has the ball.

    Wheneve SF has a decent game (very rare this season), he will brick non stop for next few games.

    Whenever Yao has a bad game, he will not be getting the ball as he should next game. However, when Yao has a great game, there is no gurantee that he will get the ball as he should next game.

    Tell me how can you ask Yao to dominate in such a system?

    I know you will point to Yao's rebound numbers. But the thing is rebound and point numbers almost always go together. Players will get more rebounds easily when they score a lot of points. And when Yao is not scoring, he is out of rythm, and that makes rebounding hard too.

    This team just hasn't learned that they have to live or die with what Yao can offer. All the great teams go to their men every night. That doesn't mean their stars are delivering every night. It is a game of statistics. Going to Yao is the best chance we have, even he sucks some nights. Others, like SF, suck most nights.

    Trolls like Juggie keep saying Yao has proved anything to justify contant touchs. But hasn't SF performances proved that he doesn't deserve that many touchs, shots, minutes, or a superstar status? To me, SF has proved that Yao is the best player in this team, more than Yao has proved himself.
     
  2. bdnguyen

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    What a dumb*ss post, the Rox's center position is its biggest advantage, night in and out, while the PG is the weakest. Just look at the numbers.

    http://www.82games.com/0304HOU5.HTM

    Yao's already The Man in just the 2nd yr, leading the team in pts, rebs. in blocks, clutch plays, and in efficiency. Unfortunately, the Rox invested in an Enron for a PG - 14M/yr with 5yrs experience, zero playoff appearance, and little more than streetball skills. The trade deadline was their last chance to eat the loss and get some value in return.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Hey!!! R2K stole my troll pic. :mad: :mad: :mad:


    Nah, its okay. :)
     
  4. happy_bing

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    What yaoming needs most is just time.It is only the second year for him to play in NBA.Yaoming has a good habit of thinking it over if his team loses .After a few years ,he can make best use of what he has learnt from NBA.He will become a great player,i am sure!:rolleyes:
     
  5. Sane

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    Yao has improved since last year, there's no doubting that.

    It's not a matter of CAN he do it, it's a matter of how tog et him to do it consistently.

    He's consistently good, now we need to get him to be consistently great.

    I know everyone's tired of hearing it, but the guy still needs a long break. It won't come this summer, which is why I would be very careful about trading Francis for spare parts around Yao. We need to get someone who can carry the load - if needed.


    Yao has surprised me this season, and I'm satisfied with his performance thus far. If we had a better midrange game, his performance would improve dramatically.
     
  6. hitman1900

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    Sure, I think Yao deserves part of the blame for the loss to the Sonics. The thing is he wasn't the one jacking up most of the shots in that game. How can he be seen as "the man" when he doesn't even get the most touches? How can he take responsibility when he is ignored on the offensive end? For better or for worse, I think he should shoot the most out of everybody on this team with the percentage he has been shooting this year. I mean, it can't be worse than Francis shooting the most and then leading us to the lottery year in year out.

    BTW, if Yao is a "is a third tier player - maybe second at best" what the hell does that make all of the players on our team? (especially Francis)
     
  7. user

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    Well, Yao need to demand the ball. He need to demand the ball both on and off court. And simply waving his arms in the air is not enough. There is a reason why JVG want him to shout out 'Give me the DAMN ball' someday. Ewing need to shoulder part of the blame on this one. He was supposed to teach Yao how to demand the damn ball.
     
  8. Gatorfan76

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    Not to excuse this loss or anything but EVERY TEAM even the really good ones have off games.

    ----Case in point -- The Minnesota Timberwolves just got beat by the 76ers without A.I. !!
     
  9. Juugie

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    Bottom line is, Steve deserves some of the blame, but the Rockets have taken away so much of his game in order to try to emphasize Yao that he can't bear most of the responsibility.

    That's like if the Rockets drafter LeBron last year, decided he was the future and told Yao to stand outside in order to make more room for LeBron to operate. How could you blame Yao for the team losing when you've turned him into a 3 point shooter in order to emphasize LeBron. You can't.

    JVG decided that Yao was his man and he was going to structure the offense around him with terrible results. This offense sucks.

    Also, after hear two weeks of people talking about how Yao is about to replace Shaq and how we should just surround him with shooters because he would soon be dominant, I think it's time for Yao to prove it.

    Not after we trade away everyone on the team for him, but before we do.

    Because the truth of the matter is, he hasn't really made that much of a difference in our wins/losses and he's jst 20 or so games away from being a third year player. This is the time when he needs to step up and prove he can take over a game.

    If the team can't get him the ball inside, take the ball of the glass and put it back in. A dominant center will get you ten points off of put back and garbage points alone. If you're not scoring well, dominate in the other areas to help you team win - rebounding, blocked shots, assists - whatever. Just don't sit there and do nothing.

    BTW. Unlike most Steve bashers, I give Yao credit when he plays well. Steve could have 29 points and 10 assists and someone will study his statline to pull out one thing he did poorly and dwell on it.
     
  10. birat

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    Nah.... it's STeve in general. But baby Yao has to grow up fast, he still feels uncomfortable here..
     
  11. Rocket River

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    Does Yao's 10 foul shouts
    not to mention the times he was fouled
    and did not goto the line
    indicate HE DID HAVE THE BALL alot?

    I think everything is going just fine

    Yao and Steve will be fine

    Championship in year 3

    Rocket River
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    That is a blatant lie.
     
  13. solid

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    No doubt that Ming has a ways to go, probably another year or two. Actually he has progressed more than many of us expected. I am reserving my judgement of Ming until I see him consistently get the entry pass at the right time, more touches, and more shots. It is really demotivating and exhausting to run down the floor time after time and watch the guards dribble around or jack up "clunkers" from the cheap seats. Rebounding is another matter. Ming should get more rebounds than most people by sitting in the front row.
     
  14. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Thats what I was about to say. Juugie just made up a bunch of BS that is totally untrue with his last post. Thats all he does and its sickening.
     
  15. MFW2310

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    Why am I not surprised that Juugie just showed up?
     
  16. Juugie

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    If you look back to posts after the Rockets last played the Lakers, I said that Yao played really well and had a great game.

    Look it up.

    And there have been lots of other times when I have given yao credit for what he has done right.

    Truth is, if Yao is the person that's supposed to lead us to a championship and we should dismantle the team to put complimentary players around him, should he at least prove that he will be able to carry a team? Compimentary players are simply that- compliments - they aren't going to win games for you. Yao at that point is basically going to have to dominate and win each game with his greatness. Do you think he has proven he is capable of doing this?
     
  17. lost_elephant

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    7 juugie threads on the first page . uuuggghhh.
     
  18. MFW2310

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    But SJC, what is the truth huh? ;)
     
  19. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Just stop with the lies Juugie, good god. Your nose is probably so long by now you should be able to smell your own BS.
     
  20. win2k

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    agree.

    We should blame him for the lose to sonics
     

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