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Time for this loudmouth Longhorn to eat some crow...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by gr8-1, Oct 13, 2002.

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  1. The Cat

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    Please ****ing stop calling him Chrissy. I can't think of any way he's attacked you personally, so I think you should leave him the ****ing hell alone. Oh, and I'm not being sarcastic.
     
  2. Manny Ramirez

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    What happened to being out of this thread??:rolleyes:

    Are you his freaking mother??

    After you get done hyperventilating, take a chill pill, dude.

    I'm going to hold up in giving you both barrels, but don't take your frustrations and cuss me out the next time.

    And I'll take you on your bet.

    0 TDs and 15 ints against top 10 teams - nuff said!
     
  3. gr8-1

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    Come on now. I know you're better than this. He's a good kid. He doesn't need to be called Chrissy.

    KSU will be a tough game.

    BTW, I'm not sure where I stand on this qb debate, but Chris wasn't the sole reason for the loss on Saturday. Stoops beat us with alot of players that we "turned down" or didn't offer. I think STrait and Griffin were two that we should have pursued. Of course, QG only plays well against us it seems.

    I think you have to pinch this loss on the coaches. Bob Stoops beat players that Mack Brown beat him in recruiting. I can go down even the most recent recruiting class and name 10 guys Stoops wanted but couldn't get. Harris, Pickryl, Wright, Dibbles, Williams, Smith, Thomas, etc.

    The point is that obviously both Mack and Bob recognize the talent. Mack beats him for the recruit, yet Bob beats him on the field.

    The talent is there. OU may have more "playmakers," but I don't think that is about ability. I think that a player can be taught to be in the right place at the right time to make plays.

    Hats off to the Sooners. But, I think UT is a couple of coaches away from taking control of this series. The foundation is there. UT is loaded with talent as is OU. But, do players plateau at UT and improve at OU?
     
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    Man, am I glad the discussions about Chris Rix at FSU haven't elevated to this level on the FSU boards!

    All it'd take is one good game from Chris Simms vs. a quality opponent and the haters would get off of his back - that's all it took for Rix. He'll get his chance vs. Iowa State in a couple of weeks. Even if he doesn't win, he needs to come out there and play gritty and not make mistakes.

    But for now...if you're a UT fan, you have to support the guy and the coaching staff. Nothing is going to change between now and the end of the season in terms of personnel - that's what the offseason will be for - and to not support your team is to mail in the season at this early juncture.
     
  5. gr8-1

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    Manny, I didn't think you were a UT hater. In fact, I thought you were pretty complimentary of our school. Did the result of the game flip you?
     
  6. The Cat

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    Well, I meant trying to stay away from the Texas fans who have tunnel vision when it comes to Simms. I didn't think you were one of them, but apparently I was wrong. My bad. Oh, and I really don't give a **** about "both barrels", if you are going to attack him personally for doing nothing to you (and a team you don't even care about), then I definitely am going to say something about it.

    6 TD's and 9 INT's earned against top 10 teams - nuff said!
     
  7. The Cat

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    Chris Simms could win 10 Super Bowls, and the haters would be on him for not winning 12. Things are different here than at any other school, mfclark. I've come to the conclusion that about half of our "fans" would rather see Chris Simms be less than perfect so that he can be bashed instead of winning.
     
  8. Major

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    I'm out of this thread, and all Chris Simms discussions. I will stick to hornfans.com in the future... you guys are some of the most hateful and ignorant fans that I have ever come across. When Chris Simms is a star NFL quarterback in the NFL in a few years, remember who told you so.

    Wasn't Chris Simms supposed to win the Heisman last year? And this year too? And we were supposed to roll over OU by 20 points? I guess if you keep making predictions, one will come true eventually. :)

    But for now...if you're a UT fan, you have to support the guy and the coaching staff. Nothing is going to change between now and the end of the season in terms of personnel - that's what the offseason will be for - and to not support your team is to mail in the season at this early juncture.

    Agreed. But there's a huge difference between wanting to get rid of a guy and actually being able to honestly discuss his weaknesses. I don't see why its OK to honestly discuss Hybl's weaknesses but not Simms'. People can keep denying it, but he doesn't look at multiple receivers. He doesn't throw deep passes accurately. He doesn't throw passes to receivers in stride. He doesn't give receivers the opportunity to make plays. He can rip apart teams when there's a huge talent gap between our offense and the opponent's defense. When the other guys are pretty good, nothing works. He gets no yards, no TDs, and lots of turnovers. His stats are amongst the worst in football on one of the most talented teams in the country. These are just plain facts when you watch him play against good defenses.
     
  9. Manny Ramirez

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    BTW - I have only called Simms that "derogatory" name once.

    So, yea, I have really been driving it into the ground.:rolleyes:

    EDIT - I just saw gr8-1's post:

    gr8-1,

    Whether some people believe it or not, I really wanted Texas to win that game. OU is a school that I loathe, but just when I thought this would finally be the year that Texas gets it done, they do the same thing...lose to OU.

    I am tired of it, and I will never be convinced that Brown, Davis, Simms, and whoever else you want to talk about can win a big game.

    I made the mistake of looking at their team on paper and hoping in my heart they would beat the Sooners. Well, that is the last time that I make that mistake.
     
  10. Manny Ramirez

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    Boy, you are one hard-headed individual. That is all I'm gonna say because I may regret anything else other than you are the f*cking king of excuses.
     
  11. The Cat

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    Well, he should be a top candidate this year, but I forgot that it's hard to drum up support when you're hated by your own fans.

    As far as losing the game, it happens. Unfortunately I can't call every game perfectly, but considering my betting record, it's pretty damn good.
     
  12. The Cat

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    If actually having to earn something is labeled an excuse, then I will be the king of that every time. Unfortunately, I don't measure luck in my predictions.

    Oh, and please, please make sure the Canes win out so we can kick their ass in the Fiesta Bowl. Thanks.
     
  13. gr8-1

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    TheCat, I admire your loyalty and you know I'm a Simms guy. My brother actually knows him and he says he is the most polite and unassuming player at UT.

    I've had my orange blinders on though. And let me qualify this in saying I want what is best for the team. I'm starting to think Major was in fact better than Chris. Winners find a way to win. Of course, I think Davis handcuffs Chris because he is either a) an idiot or b) he doesn't trust Chris. Chris is an average to slightly above-average QB who may be a better pro player. I do think he's the best man for the job this year though. I root for him as I root for the team. If he can run the table, I'll be impressed.

    BTW, I don't know if you've seen Young play, but he is something else. Arm strength is very similar to Chris's.


    I don't know about next week. The one guy that scares me more than Stoops is Bill Snyder. They'll be ready and waiting.
     
  14. Major

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    Well, he should be a top candidate this year, but I forgot that it's hard to drum up support when you're hated by your own fans.


    Wait a minute -- do you think, if there was no "hatred" involved, Chris Simms should currently be a candidate for the Heisman based on his performance this year?
     
  15. The Cat

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    Yes. If Texas loses in the next couple of weeks that opinion may change, but as of now, yes.
     
  16. gr8-1

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    Dude, careful what you ask for..........


    Let's worry about a very fast KSU team first.
     
  17. Manny Ramirez

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    I'll tell you what, bigshot.

    Let's see if you have some cajones on you or not.

    You said you wanted to make a bet on Texas winning the NC.

    If Texas beats Miami (and that is a huge IF) then I will not post here for a month. Would you do the same??

    Oh, and I wouldn't hold my breath in seeing Miami getting their ass kicked. No one kicks Miami's ass unless you think losing to Washington over 2 years ago by 5 points is an ass kicking.

    Texas, on the other hand, is a different story. Bob Stoops' brother coaches the Canes secondary and would be more than glad to call up Bob for the OU-TX tape not that Miami needs a tape on seeing how to kick Texas' ass.

    What a joke...please, don't stop now, you are on a roll!
     
  18. The Cat

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    What exactly is the bet?

    If Miami plays Texas, yes I will do that. Or did you mean if Miami/Texas wins the national title, regardless of who they play?

    Also, Miami hasn't played Texas in those two years. I really don't give a **** about the Stoops'. I'm sure at that point Mack will tell GD to either change the plan, or be fired.
     
  19. Major

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    Yes. If Texas loses in the next couple of weeks that opinion may change, but as of now, yes.

    May I ask, on a serious note, what this is based on? I can sorta-kinda see an argument last year - at least he had some decent stats. However, this year, he's not in the top 40 in Yards, Yards/throw, Yards/completion, completion percentage or efficiency. He's leading an offense that's not rated in the top 60 in yards, and not in the top 50 in passing. In other words, statistically its basically the worst offense of any good/decent team in the nation.

    The only thing he has going for him is that he's on a top team. There are a number of other QB's with actually good stats, on equally highly rated teams - Phillip Rivers, Ken Dorsey, Seneca Wallace, for example. Even Nate Hybl is better in every way in terms of actual performance. A&M's non-existent passing game has been better than ours.

    It seems to me that if Simms is a Heisman contender, at least 30 other QBs in the game have to be considered contenders as well. Plus who knows how many RBs and WRs.
     
  20. The Cat

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    Statistics are garbage. It's all about what is earned. Simms has had one, maybe two, bad throws all season, compared to maybe that many per game for other quarterbacks. He sells the playaction pass better than any QB in the game. He throws a better deep ball than any QB in the game. He doesn't lose games; the only game his team has lost comes as a result of terrible defense and a terrible offensive coordinator.

    He's made plays to win games, he doesn't make mistakes, he is a leader, deals with a stadium full of fans that hate him, and IMO has been one of the top ten players I've seen in the country this year. That makes him a contender, in my mind.
     

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