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Time: Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead

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  1. halfbreed

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    Maybe if you went to the website you'd notice the huge tabs at the top detailing Bush's plans and his policies
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    That might be a good idea. It will probably be about as accurate as the GOP convention was when it comes to facts too.
     
  3. Fatty FatBastard

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    Alright, andymoon: What "issues" is Kerry running on? And the "we can do better" is just as obtuse.
     
  4. Faos

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    Did you not watch the RNC and Bush's speech? How many more issues should he have addressed? Kerry is still running on Viet Nam.
     
  5. ron413

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    Bush and Kerry Differ on Vitality of Nation's Job Market As Race for the White House Heats Up

    The Associated Press

    BROADVIEW HEIGHTS, Ohio Sept. 4, 2004 — Good news, or bad? President Bush and Democrat John Kerry had differing takes Saturday about the vitality of the nation's job market a question that's heating up this year's race for the White House.
    Bush, campaigning in Ohio a pivotal state that has lost tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs, says a new U.S. employment report offers positive news to voters worried about jobs.

    "The economy is growing, Bush said at an "Ask President Bush" event in Broadview Heights, noting the national unemployment rate dipped to 5.4 percent in August.

    But he acknowledged the state has been hit hard with job losses. "Ohio has got pockets of unemployment that are unacceptable," Bush said in a county where just one in three voters backed him in 2000

    Kerry, also in Ohio during the Labor Day weekend, questioned Bush's claims that the economy is improving, saying a week jobs market shows the president is out of touch with average families.

    "If President Bush thinks this is good enough, then he just doesn't get it," Kerry said. "It's very clear that his economic policies have failed the American middle class."

    In August, 144,000 new jobs were added, bringing the total in the last 12 months to 1.7 million. But there are still 913,000 fewer workers on payrolls than when Bush took office.

    Jobseekers have been struggling with the bumpy labor market recovery. There were 8 million people unemployed in August, with an average duration of 19 weeks without work, up from 18.6 weeks in July.

    Bush has opened up a double-digit lead in a second poll released after the wrap-up of the Republican National Convention. The Newsweek poll showed Bush at 52 percent, Democrat John Kerry at 41 percent and independent Ralph Nader at 3 percent.

    Kerry had a 49-42 edge while Nader had 3 percent in a Newsweek poll released right after the Democratic National Convention.

    The poll of 1,008 registered voters was taken Thursday and Friday and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    Bush made an unscheduled stop on his bus tour at the Chagrin Falls Popcorn Shop, where he ordered a vanilla custard.

    Asked about new polls that show him surging ahead of Kerry, Bush shrugged and said: "I've got a lot of work to do."

    Bush won Ohio's 20 electoral votes in 2000, as has every other Republican ever elected president. Voters in Ohio have picked the winning presidential candidate in every election since 1964. Bush is vulnerable this election because the state has lost more than 200,000 jobs there since he took office.

    "The world is changing dramatically for American workers," Bush said in his weekly radio address Saturday. "The global market is expanding, creating new markets for our goods and new competition for our people. Workers are changing jobs more often, and they need new skills to stay ahead."

    Like Bush, Kerry used the Democrats' weekly broadcast to press his case on jobs.

    "President Bush is now certain to be the first president since Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression who didn't create a single new job," he said.

    "We need to put Americans back to work to get the American economy working," Kerry said. "And not just in any jobs but in good jobs that actually let you pay your bills and build your dreams."

    Sen. John Edwards, Kerry's running mate, was on a bus tour Saturday through Wisconsin. Vice President Dick Cheney planned an afternoon rally in New Mexico.


    http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040904_605.html
     
  6. Fatty FatBastard

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    He knows. He and his party are getting their asses handed to them.

    Can't really blame him for getting irritated.
     
  7. Fatty FatBastard

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    Either this is a bogus article, or ABC news needs to hire an f-ing editor.

    Week jobs Market?!?

    Pathetic.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    We were talking about the jobs market in another thread. They say that 150,000 new jobs have to be created just to keep even with the amount of people who are new to looking for jobs each month. I believe the last month's job creation was around 144,000. So it's not strong. It could be argued that it wasn't weak either. But if we look at the jobs market over the course of Bush's term.
     
  9. JayZ750

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    Faos, it can't be argued that the GOP seems to be in the lead. Similiarly, it is pretty universally known, that despite Bush's speech, the RNC was about attacking the Democrats and the DNC was about plans going forward. Every political analyst agrees. Yes, GWB talked about the issues, but no one else did at the RNC. Everyone at the DNC talked about issues.
     
  10. Faos

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    So Bush had his people attack back at Kerry's people who attacked Bush. This issue is a non-issue. It's politics.
     
  11. JayZ750

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    You really think that both parties are "attacking" each other on the same level? Are you watching - clearly the Republicans are doing it more often and better - it's what's gotten them the lead.

    I agree it's just politics, and think the Democrates have to pump up their "attacking" to win....BUT, the point can definitely be made that the Dem's are running a whole lot more on issues than the Rep's, if that matters to you.

    As we've seen, strength is what matters to a lot of American's, not issues. The Rep's are smart to go with that strategy.
     
  12. bamaslammer

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    It's not golf! God these liberals really piss me off. They savage Bush every second they get, but when someone calls Kerry on his record and statements, it's an "attack" and "dirty politics." For all of you little lefty whiners, politics is a damned contact sport. So go have some cheese with your whine.
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    Nobody debates the idea that people should call Kerry on his record and statements.

    The problem is when they lie about it "Kerry voted to cut 1.5 billion from the intelligence budget." "Kerry wrote the report that got him the medal in Viet Nam." etc.

    When people lie and are dishonest about the things they argue about it is an attack, and it's dirty politics.

    But facts don't get in your way, because apparently you are ready to ignore facts, and instead accuse others of whining.
     
  14. Faos

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again: The most important issue to me is our nations security. And I don't think Kerry has a clue about terrorism and the world we live in today. To be honest, all other issues don't concern me right now. That's a narrow vision, I know, but that's what matters most to me.
     
  15. Rocket104

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    The deeper question is whether it should be.
     
  16. Rockets R' Us

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    The writer was a child left behind.
     
  17. DonnyMost

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    There's a lot of voters who feel the exact same way you do, there's only one difference in the way they feel however, which I've pointed out.

    That's why I think it's important to diversify your index of issues you care about, so you can make a more informed decision, because when it comes to terrorism, it's very hard to pin down who is capable and who knows what to do, because this is very uncharted territory we're in.
     
  18. GladiatoRowdy

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    The War on Terror, specifically his detailed plans to fight it more intelligently.

    Healthcare for our people, especially children.

    Improving education rather than paying lip service.

    Actually making our country more secure by increasing port inspections, cargo inspections, and funding to police, fire departments, and EMTs.

    Increasing employment, specifically concentrating on high paying jobs rather than the low end service jobs being added now.

    Reversing the damage done to the environment by the administration's rewriting and redefining of EPA policy to meet the needs of industry.

    Reducing the record setting deficit this supposed "conservative" has racked up.


    Make no mistake about it, Kerry is the one running on the issues. Bush can only run FROM the issues since his record speaks for itself. That is why we will hear the terms "flip flopper" and "Vietnam" more than we will about all of the above issues put together from the Bush camp.
     
  19. IROC it

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    Nice misquote DM... as usual.

    andymoon... you left out "increasing taxes hand over fist to get these proposals done." :p
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    The only time I hear about Vietnam is when a reporter asks about it. On TDS and "Meet the Press," Kerry consistently talked about education, healthcare, jobs, and the War on Terror. The only time Vietnam was brought up, it was brought up by the reporter and Kerry has consistently said that service 35 years ago is not what this election is about.

    Bush can talk about all he wants, he has already broken every single promise he made four years ago, why should I believe him now? The one major thing I thought he did right (Afghanistan) is going bad again, with the Taliban in control of substantial swaths of the country.

    GWB and the GOP are on the attack because they know it is the only way they can win.
     

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