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Timberwolves Buy Out Juwan Howard

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MLittle577, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. durvasa

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    I don't think the Rockets bring in another players unless there's a trade. Juwan Howard would be nice to have, but he isn't worth piling on more luxury tax.
     
  2. Spacemoth

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    Can we hire Juwanathan as a bench coach? You can get his leadership that way without having to waste a roster spot and kick out someone like Novak.
     
  3. KALIKULI

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    Here we are trying to dealth some players inorder for us to trimmed down to 15 player and you guys wanted to bring back Juwan. You all got to be out of your mind. Plus besides we are set with Scola and Hayes at PF position. We don't need Juwan! Staright up!!! :mad:
     
  4. fuzzy88

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    Juwan can be a good player to pick up by shifting Chuck Hayes to play center on our secondary fast and small unit (when Yao sits down).

    But it is more likely for him to play for Boston. Boston has more room and more pressing need.
     
  5. krosfyah

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    We gotta cut gaurenteed players already.

    Steve wants to go.

    We need another PF.

    What do you suggest?
     
  6. OrangeRowdy95

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    I wouldn't necessarily say Steve wants to go. It's a little premature for that. Maybe as we get closer to the deadline he could help some team out if he doesn't get off the bench here.

    I also don't think we need another powerforward. Scola, Hayes, Novak, Landry, Battier. That's a lot to chose from.

    Nevertheless, I'd love to have Juwan back. But considering we had 20 players at training camp, it's unlikely we add anyone for nothing because of the luxury tax, which we are well over since we couldn't pull off any trades.
     
  7. smoothie

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    whats all of this about juwon and miami? miami has:

    shaq-blount
    haslem-mourning

    juwon can't beat out any of those guys for minutes.
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    as for coming here, well i understand that if one of our bigs does down we are left playing landry up front. this is why we need a 4/5 who is dependable. make it until dec. 15 and then move steve for a spare big guy.
     
  8. fnn2097

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    I'll take him in a heartbeat. This guy can shoot long 2's and will be a useful bench player playing 10-15 mins a game. If Luis scola is having a bad night or even get injured :eek: , we don't have another genuine, experienced PF to cover him. Don't expect Chuck Hayes to take the scoring load if Scola is off his game. If we can get howard at a low cost, its definitely worthwhile.
     
  9. v3.0

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    Maybe while he's there he can payoff those shades...
     
  10. krosfyah

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    Dude, writing is on the wall. Steve is obviously the odd man out.

    Uh, no.

    Hayes = undersized
    Battier = undersized
    Landry = underclassmen + not all that big either.

    Scola = nearly perfect.

    If Scola gets hurt, the Rockets are in BAD BAD BAD shape. We've got no dependable PF with any size to matchup with other teams, if needed.

    Agreed. But if the Rockets want to compete for a championship, I'm sure they realize they don't have enough depth at PF spot. The chance to pickup Juwan is too opportunistic to ignore. Here's their chance to pick up a proven NBA player at a basement price who also adds to the team just being on the bench. I'm not suggesting we cut folks just for the heck of it (like most noobs around here). Dump Reed and Steve and pick up Juwan. You've got maybe the most well rounded roster in the league.

    You cut Reed and Steve, pick up Juwan. Done. That's a solid freakin likeup.

    Send Brooks to NBDL. Keep Novak, Landry, Snyder on inactive.

    Plus I think Juwan is well suited to Adlemen's offense cause he can jack 15 footers all day long. ...and he's already familair with TMac and Yao.
     
  11. OrangeRowdy95

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    Just because he won't play in the first few games of the season doesn't mean he won't play at all. REmember last year, Juwan couldn't get off the bench until Chuck Hayes got injured and Novak became a rookie. There's a quotation in today's Chronicle from Adelman, something along the lines of "Just because he's not in the rotation now doesn't mean he won't be in it later."

    Personally, I think Steve will end up taking Luther head's spot in the rotation in December. Head's game is better suited for JVG offense, which is spotting up and not thinking or taking care of the ball much.

    Battier has played a lot of 4 this preseason. With our depth, the only way Coach A can allocate minutes is to have guys playing multiple positions, which he is rightfully doing. As a result, Mutombo probably won't play, because Scola and Hayes will get time at the 5, and Bonzi, Battier, and TMac will see time at the 4 depending on the matchups. You're assessment is correct in the undersized category, but in this offense, and with less emphasis on defense and "all 5 crash boards", we can get away with it. Under JVG, heck no.

    And you neglected Novak too. This offense is better for him because his lack of frame won't be as exposed as it was under JVG, when he had to set picks, rebound, rotate on defense, take charges, and actually play the typical powerforward role.

    Cutting steve outright would be awful PR. Obviously, PR is the last of fans' worries, because we want the championship, but down the road, it will come back and bite us. As is, the Rockets have already taken PR hits with the whole JVG thing since the beginning of last season.

    Furthermore, you don't just outright cut a Steve Francis. After all, he was our Franchise. If worst comes to worst, trade him for some value. His contract isn't what it was, so we can actually get a 1st rounder or cash for him, or a nice TE.

    I love Juwan as much as anyone on this bored, don't get me wrong. He's a true professional, heck of a leader. I'd take him back in a heartbeat, but if I'm Les, I'm thinking hell no. His time has come and gone. He's now better-suited on a slow-it-down style where he can utilize his veteran wiliness on a competitive team yet help young players at the same time.

    I know Daryl Morey loved Juwan. He talked about attributes that can't be quantified, and specifically pointed out Juwan Howard at a lecture he gave at your alma mater last year. But given the circumstances, I'd say the chances at Juwan are below 0.

    The perfect team for him: Orlando Magic. They need another big with the loss of Battie, and he'd quickly adapt to SVG's system, since it's almost identical to JVG's, and the assistants are the same. Orlando is also young and upcoming, and they do have some solid vets.
     
  12. krosfyah

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    Maybe ...maybe not. If Steve logs 2 weeks of DNP's, he'll demand we do something.

    There's a difference between us wanting to "go small" and us being forced to go-small because of injuries.

    Novak won't get off the bench, sorry. Adleman has already said he prefers a short rotation. That means Novak gets garbage minutes at best.

    ...not if Steve is demanding to be cut so he can go sign with another team.

    With 1 million dollar contract, what $1 mil dollar player do you expect to get in return for Stevie? Steve's contract doesn't really have much trade value.
     
  13. ekim

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    I will take Mike Harris over Juwan anyday.
     
  14. Barkley

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    No questions about that. Mike Mike and Mike again. I like this guy.
     
  15. OrangeRowdy95

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    We'll see.

    I'm pretty sure we want to go small. Adelman has talked about playing battier at the 4 a little. He played BOnzi at the 4 occasionally in Sacto too. We'll see. But I will say that our big rotation is Scola, Yao, Hayes. There are 96 minutes at that position, we'll say yao plays 35, Scola 31, and Hayes 30. That equals exactly 96 minutes, so I don't know how another person (Juwan) would find themselves on the floor, barring injury.

    I agree. I'm just saying we have a lot of powerforwards. If Hayes gets injured, then Mutombo will actually get on the court, and we can also go with Landry or Novak, which I have no problem with in Adelman's system. If it were jVG's, then yes, I'd want Juwan. But if we're healthy, then we don't need to worry about this problem.

    We'll see if Steve does that. I wouldn't count on it. He wouldn't want to hurt his own PR image even more, would he? He's the one talking about how this team can win the championship, and he's all about the team and winning. Why would he bolt to a lesser team just so he can dribble out the shotclock? Hasn't he done enough of that already?

    Draft pick, cash, TE, decent player. Good example: Bonzi last year. The guy was fat and didn't even play much for us. He was due 1.8 million, just like Steve. And we had deals with Detroit, Chicago, and Denver for Bonzi at the trade deadline. I believe we could have gotten Sweetney from Chicago, Flip Murray and Dale Davis from Detroit, and Kleiza from Denver. The deadline's when teams seek guys like Francis and Bonzi, guys who have a small contract and have the potential to be the missing piece.
     
  16. fuzzy88

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    Different reasons, guys!
    Juwan = insurance policy against injury THIS YEAR
    Mike Harris = contributing player in 2010
     
  17. krosfyah

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    well put.
     
  18. fuzzy88

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    Thanks!! ;)
     
  19. Yetti

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    What are you talking about????????????
    Mike Harris is ready to contribute now, if given the playing time.
    Juwan Howard was ready 10 years ago and has been on a downward track for the last 10 years.
    Give the younger man a chance and he could possibly develop into a major contributor! Well before 2010! Haris has life and zest for the game, Howard is just hanging around till he retires!
     
  20. DaDakota

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    I wouldn't mind Simien, and maybe Juwan over Reed, but I would take Mike Harris over all of them.

    DD
     
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