The tension is so thick in here, you could cut it with Ron Artest's pointy head. Let's lighten the mood a bit... The Top 16 Reasons Tim Hardaway Hates Gay People 16> They always make fun of his karaoke rendition of "It's Raining Men." 15> They completely ruined the macho appeal of his signature clutch jump shot, "The Brokeback." 14> Lance Bass is taking, like, FOREVER to put out a solo album!!! 13> They have *their* pride parade, but where's the parade for spoiled millionaire bigots? 12> Chaps? Fine. Assless chaps? Abomination in the eyes of the Lord! 11> Because they've already spoiled the sport of NASCAR. 10> In high school he was kicked out of his Village People tribute band for consistently showing up as "the ballerina." 9> They constantly outbid him for all the best neckties on eBay. 8> This one time, at basketball camp.... 7> When he was 12, his older brother was killed by a gay street gang, the Broadway Starz. 6> He said he won't dance, yet they keep asking him! 5> Always viciously heckled by Rip Taylor during road games against the Lakers. 4> Richard Simmons totally ruined Tim's shiny-short-shorts-sparkly-tank-top-and-poofy-Afro look. 3> He can never find a spot to put down his beach towel at Fire Island. 2> Shortly after running away to Las Vegas at the age of 15, his childhood dream of being a magician's assistant was ended by a man named Siegfried. and Topfive.com's Number 1 Reason Tim Hardaway Hates Gay People... 1> Every man he's ever French-kissed has accused him of being one. [ Copyright 2007 by Chris White/TopFive.com ]
i don't agree with homosexuality in any way, shape, or form. i don't "hate" anyone and i don't go out and look for gays or lesbians to beat up. but it's interesting to me that i am wary about sharing my opinion about the subject (homosexuality) these days. it's like if i am "opposed to homosexuality" that i am not informed or that i am an intolerant person. so here we are talking about lumping people into groups or stereotyping people and i feel like i'm stereo-typed too. i don't agree with homosexuality and i never will. i am not intolerant, but to say that i'm not okay with homosexuality lumps me in the "bad person" sterotype. and that is an interesting thing to me. just commenting is all. but insights are welcomed.
I think its good that you feel uncomfortable about voicing that opinion in a way. It shows that the tide is turning against it being acceptable to bash homosexuality. Now if you are against it then don't practice or partake in it. I don't think anyone gay, or straight would have a problem with you, or anyone else not engaging in homosexual activity. But being against other people engaging in it is just strange. Why tell someone else they can or can't engage in behavior between consenting adults that heterosexuals can do without fear of reprisal? A person's homosexuality is only one aspect of that person. They can still be nice, kind, cruel, arrogant, humble, funny, dull, classless, a gentelman, generous, selfish, etc. All of things seem way more important in determining whether someone is acceptable or not.
why is that "good"? the opposition doesn't want to feel uncomfortable for sharing their views - why should i? do you see the point i'm trying to make? franchise, don't take my post personal - it is not intended to be. but i see a double standard here. and i'm sure you're not alone in that opinion. we've decided as a society that it is "ok" to be gay or lesbian. but we've also decided as a society that if you're not "ok" with the gay thing, then you're full of hatred or you're old school or you're intolerant or uninformed. i guess i'd just like to see the same sypathy for those who do not agree with homosexuality as those that do (or practice).
Your beliefs are your right and shouldn't result in anything. It's not what you believe, it's how you act. YOu can feel homosexuality is not "right". Ok - but what does that mean? Does that mean you will vote against gay marriage? Does that mean you will discriminate against homosexuals? Will you feel uncomfortable working with them? That's what needs to be answered.
those are fair questions. vote against? yes. discriminate? no. though i will admit that if i had 2 equally qualified candidates and i knew one was gay and one was not, i would not promise to hire the gay guy. does that make me a "yes" for this one? feel uncomfortable? depends really. is he like totally flamer? and loves to talk about homosexuality alot (i work with a guy like this)? probably a little bit yeah. if he's normal, no.
why? They arent tryin to marry you....they want to be able to do the same thing hetros do, but with each other...whats so wrong with that? by denying them the right to marry each other, you are disciminating against them. normal that says it all right there. listen, dont get me wrong, Im not tryin to tell you what to think, which seems to get lost in these discussions. but My personal credo is if someone wants to do something that doesnt hurt anyone else, who are we to tell them they cant?? That is what it comes down to for me, who are we to tell two consenting adults what they can and cant do in their lives? (note: Make sure you understand I am referring to actions that dont hurt anyone else) intolerance doesnt require that you perform acts of hatred and violence against them.....going out of yoru way to restrict what they can do with each other seems mighty intolerant to me.
Society says all sorts of things about homosexuality. Being gay still carries a significant societal stigma, so I don't think it makes sense to generalize society as being pro-gay. What reason do you have to not be ok with homosexuality?
Because people should be uncomfortable about open discrimination. For the same reason people should feel uncomfortable standing up and saying that they aren't comfortable with blacks living in their neighborhood or celebrating African American culture. Well not being ok with what two other consenting adults do, is being intolerant. Or at least it is if you try and publicize that view and ostracize those folks because they are difference. That is the very definition of intolerance. Again society hasn't decided that you have to be ok with being gay. Like I said nobody will complain if you aren't ok with it and then don't engage in homosexual activities. Nobody gay or straight would fault you for that. It would be intolerant of them if they did. But if you are against it for yourself, but try to decide for other adults that it is wrong, when they are able to make their own decisions about their life style, then that is where intolerance comes into play. And when you have a majority who aren't gay telling the minority who has been discriminated against again and again that they are wrong, and shouldn't be able to do what hetero sexuals are free to do as often as they like. Then it is the very essence of oppression. When I reply to your qpost I am not saying that you are in favor of denying homosexuals marriage rights, or other legal prejudice, because I don't know. I was mainly just using your post to address a general point.
Hilarious. "I don't discriminate, I just vote to legally bar people from taking part in a civil function." As Batman Jones put it in a different thread, people said the same thing about interracial marriage not too long ago.
Just curious, but how would you feel about a heterosexual guy who loves to talk about heterosexuality alot? It's weird to me that people always complain about that when it seems to me that I don't want to hear about any of my coworker's sex lives.
If you vote against homosexuals being able to marry and have a committed family with someone they love, then you are discriminating against them. You are saying they shouldn't be allowed to have the same freedoms that others have based solely on their sexual orientation. Also the fact that you would let sexual preference come into play at all during the hiring process also shows bigotry based solely on sexual preference. The more people that feel uncomfortable with that kind of bigotry the better it speaks of our society.
Its your right to say whatever you feel and you shouldn't feel uncomfortable about doing so. At the same time though it is everyone else's right to disagree, or agree. If that makes you feel uncomfortable that is your feeling. Free speech isn't about making people feel comfortable which is why I'm leery of such things like hate speech laws. If you don't like homosexuals but you feel intimidated about expressing that opinion with all due respect I think that is upon you. What it sounds like you are asking is for those who disagree to be more accomodating. To the point that you should be allowed to speak it yes we should be accomodating. That's not doesn't mean we aren't going to challenge it. This may sound harsh but unpopular views have rarely been greeted with sympathy. Consider when saying things like homosexuality should be accepted wasn't considered very popular. Expressing that view very likely would get you far worse than some stern talking too on a BBS. If you feel you're being treated unfairly well welcome to the world of all the people who have spoken out for a minority viewpoint.
I think Tim Hardaway is an ignorant asshat but I don't have a problem with his comments. He can believe anything he wants. Just as I can believe he's an asshat.
Agreed. Just as it is someone legal right to say "I hate ....(insert ethnic/racial group)" or "I don't agree with ....(insert another's religion/faith)" or just as So you mean we should not call out racists, bigots, sexists, xenophobes as being intolerant when they are public about such beliefs they hold? What is so "interesting" about being called out for such beliefs. Some people still preech "White power" and such, but fortunately the vast majority of people don't leave such public declarations unanswered. Just like we decided it was OK to be a thinking women and it was OK to be a minority and have land, and it was OK for interracial marriages. Yes this happened while some poeple "diagreed with it" but over time they have just become more thoughtfull and changed their thinking, learned to keep quiet, or become more fringe--one way or the other. I think this is a poor way to frame the debate. Being gay isn't about women on women sexual practices or men on men sexual practices. Would you define yourself strait only if you are sexually active? Are nuns and priests asexual if they don't have sex. How about a 14 year old who never had sex--is he neither gay nor heterosexual. Is someone who physically cannot have sex neither strait nor gay. Gay people are attracted to and identify with persons of the same sex and may want to cohabitate/partner with someone of the same sex. Persons own sexual relations with others may or may not come into it and that distracts from the debate to discuss things in those terms.
When I said if you don't like it, don't engage in it, that didn't have to be about sexual activity only. It could also have been about anything else. I agree with you, that homosexual preference isn't just about sexual activity, but the inactive desires of a person hardly have any effect on society at large, or other people. The attraction itself isn't discriminated against unless the person vocalizes it. Vocalizing it isn't prohibited by law like marriage between homosexuals are. Also if the person isn't attracted to the same sex, then the desires won't affect them whether acted upon or not.
So let me get this right...you are a sista that loves Rockets basketball and you have lesbian friends? WILL YOU MARRY ME???????????????????? I just read the entire thread and I'm amazed at the level of homophobia here. Why do folks care what others do as long as it doesn't impact you?
