I never had that experience. When I turned them down with a laugh, they were always good natured about it, offering to buy me a beer more often than not. Being persistent would have been rude, and I've found gay people, over the years, to be more polite than your run of the mill human being.
First of all - not everybody believes in your god. Let that sink in. You cannot impose your religious belief on our society. Nor can you even prove that your interpretation of what is in the Bible is the correct interpretation. I don't know if you've noticed, but there are dozens of sects of Christianity - each with at least a slightly different interpretation of scripture. And among those sects, each person tends to interpret scripture to their liking. So don't throw out scripture like it's law - the only thing it has in common with law is that it's subject to interpretation. Unlike law, however, it does not apply to everyone but only those who choose to adhere to it. Incidentally, believing that good people who happen to be different from you (or don't believe what you believe in) will burn in hell is undeniably a choice. And it's a choice I have no problem disagreeing with or flat out saying is morally wrong. It's bigotry in the name of God. Very little can be more wrong than that. It does people of faith everywhere an injustice.
He's asked you to let it go, more than once, so why don't you? This is a great discussion. Why not turn to the topic at hand.
Right. That makes no sense because African Americans are actually more likely to be more liberal than other ethinic groups. Although in the African American community homosexuality is frowned upon I don't think its fair to sinlge African Americans out as more bigoted.
Same kind of arguments and excuses for why women should be men's property, and why it was OK for Blacks to be White's property--basically that it is the natural order or gods plans or what not. And there are plenty of out of context scripture quotes and the like available that can be used to justify it (rather focusing on the big central perspectives of love, tolerance and peace at the root of most religions). And yes these things recirculate, their are movements again that wives need to serve their husbands, and the KK are still around to. But the bigots and sexists get increasingly marginalized by the larger society and even the recirculations never get much of a hold in mainstream society. Same thing will happen with homophobia. TimH and many of the comnments in this thread are shocking, but not so different than if we had a forum like this in the 50s and started a debate about interracial marrigae or from the late 1800s are discussing whether women are rationale enough to be allowed to vote, etc. Just the next frontier, in 50 years I do think (open) homophobia with be treated like (open) racism today. Of course there are still racists today, but all but the most fringe have own internal filters to screen out their most blantant public expressions however. But we should not throw Timmy under the bus (not that I htink anyone should hire him for a job with much public interaction). People have time to grow, reflect and change. Just look at George Wallace.
Back when I lived in Austin, I was really good friends with a girl whose majority of friends were gay. Every once in a while, I'd go to a gay club with them. Not only were they great places for straight guys to pick up hot women, the guys that tried to hit on me never once kept trying after I told them I was straight. They just thought it was cool that I was comfortable enough in my sexuality to go to a place like that. As far as Hardaway's comments go, while I find them dispicible, I'd rather know who the hateful bigots are. Also, for those who argue that homosexuality is wrong because they can't produce children, do you also believe that those who are sterile are also wrong in some way? Should they not be allowed to marry?
Fortunately you don't get to decide what is wrong for everyone. You can think it is wrong for you all, day but you don't get to decide about anyone else. I have no problem with children seeing two people kissing, unless they are are overly aggressive with each other in public. I don't care if it is two men, two women, or a hetero couple. For Manny, and those worried about explaining to your children about why other kids have two dads, or two moms it shouldn't be that hard. Say this: "Not every family is like ours. You have a father and a mother, but some families have two fathers or two mothers. What matters most is that both parents love their children and are good parents." There shouldn't need to be too much more discussion on it than that. It shouldn't be that hard to do.
I haven't sent them to burn in Hell. Are u passing judgment on me!? If that's so then by your logic you're coming with me.
SD, as a fellow Christian I have to call you out here. These guys are right -- it is wrong for us to go about saying we hate gay people or that they will burn in hell fire. That's not our place. I too believe that homosexuality is wrong, but I'm going to accept anyone for who they are, regardless of what they do. It's not my job to change them -- that's God's job anyway. The first commandment is to love, not condemn. Everybody has a sinful nature, and the only thing we have is grace. If we ourselves are not willing to show grace and love to others regardless of who they are or what they've done, then how are we worthy of grace ourselves? Everybody is allowed to have an opinion, true. There are lots of things that people do that are wrong, but I'm not going to start hating them because of it. Many of us Christians too have our own faults, even down to sexual sin. You remember that parable about the slave who was forgiven a debt of like $1 million dollars and then went to harass a fellow slave who owed him $2?
I stated that I left because I got into a tiff with you, and didn't say anything else about it or who I felt was wrong, etc. in fact I specifically said I was re-evaluating how I express myself to others. I don't think anyone would take that as a slight to you or anywhere near a calling out of anyone. now, I suggest to you once again to let this go. There is nothing to be gained by this.
I think its just a lesbian thing actually since women are typically more homoerotic. I guess its a mind-boggling concept to be a woman and feel no desire at all for another woman. I dunno I just think its rude how lesbians are so intent to change minds where as guys are more likely to just move on. But then guys are more violent so being persistent might just get the beat up. Thats not likely to happen with women.
This has nothing to do with my personal opinion on gays: People don't want to hear the truth no more. If Hardaway had said he would've accepted a gay teammate, everyone would be peaches and cream. But he was honest and said he don't like gays and don't wanna be around them; and now he's being flamed universally for it. He's called "ignorant" for being honest. So who's the ignorant one. Hardaway for being honest or those who is calling him ignorant for answering a question honestly?
Several things. First. If you believe something is wrong and won't say so because you are afraid of the reaction, then by definition, you are a coward. The media didn't make you a coward, you just are one. Second. Why in the f_ck should someone who is gay refrain from discussing their "lifestyle" because it makes you uncomfortable. Do you ever discuss your heterosexual lifestyle in public? Third. Based on the details of your life and relationships that you've shared ad nauseum on this board (the irony of you calling anyone else out on this issue is rich), you probably want to be careful about judging others based on what is considered "normal".
Umm no. Did you not say that gays will burn in hell? Because if you didn't then I apologize and I just replied to the wrong person. But if you did then wouldn't you be going to hell too? I mean sin is sin, and no sin is greater than another.
They're likely to be more liberal in the fiscal sense, yes. Definitely not in the moral sense. Like I said, it isn't exactly a politically correct thing to say, but that's the reality of the situation more often than not.
If as research is leaning towards being Gay is something that occurrs naturally God also made homosexuality. We are having no problem multiplying even with homosexuals. Also according to the bible you aren't supposed to eat shellfish. I hope you don't eat that. Your interpretation of the bible is one thing. But that doesn't excuse bigotry. Your own discomfort with queer eye for the straight guy and homosexuality doesn't excuse bigotry. There are no two ways about it. You being uncomfortable isn't a reason to have lawas that discriminate or for bigotry. I'm sorry that you feel the way you do, but your feelings aren't reason to make bigotry ok or accpetable in society. We still need to fight against it.
