There's plenty of intelligent discussion here. The problem is that there's not so much of it on the right side of the spectrum. Libertarians, the right wing crazies, and just conservatives in general have been taking a beating as a result. The tactic from the right has been to question people's patriotism for not supporting the war in Iraq, calling people un-American and the Congress obstructionist for questioning the dangerous road (on so many levels) that the Bush administration put this country on, and now calling people Commies and Marxists for not believing Obama is a Kenyan born, Muslim, terrorist loving, socialist. You guys have nothing. Your so-called non-partisan grassroots Tea Party business, sponsored by Fox News and Glen Beck and Sean Hannity and Rick Perry, etc., is just a weak attempt to stay relevant on the political landscape. This movement is concentrated on flat out lies. That Obama is a socialist, that Obama has raised taxes to some unfathomable level, that Obama is responsible for out of control government spending, etc. If your movement had any credibility, we would have seen a lot more signs denouncing Reagan and the Bushes for giving us the 12 trillion dollar national debt that we have right now. Its their collective 20 years in office that have screwed us, not Obama's three freakin months. No cred.
But not in this post. You close your eyes, feel a box and proclaim "This is it," but you have the wrong box. I'd have more luck trying to reason with a cinderblock.
Like I said, nothing. I did chuckle when I read you denounce the race card after you claimed the Democratic Party enslaved black people. That was *awesome*.
What intelligence? If someone disagrees with you, you automatically lump them in the far wing nut cases and pull the "no credibility" card? Just because someone disagrees with the Obama administration doesn't make them conservative. I see Obama just as he is ... another Bush. Add another 4 years to that collective 20 years. With the continue bickering of "my president is better than yours", we have many more years of bad government ahead of us.
The D&D is a better place when you don't take it so seriously. So can be said for many things. I think if you are looking for a fight, this is where you can get it easily. Politics, Race, Religion just go hand in hand with raw emotional response. I enjoy the voices in this forum who speak without hatred and anger toward the other side.
President Obama has called for a new era of political discussion from both sides of the aisle and Republican officials have gone along with it. If America is changing its political discussion, then this forum should adapt with this new era rather than take us backward. An era where we engage in dialogue rather than call each other names. An era where other users aren't accused of being terrorists because they have a muslim name, such as when Trader Jorge wanted to raise a pitch fork against adeelsiddiqui, for nothing else but being muslim. The D&D no longer has to be a "quarantine area" for the rest of the forum. We've seen that this creates more problems than otherwise necessary. As long as it is an option on this forum, it should be another place I can visit without an "Enter at your own risk" sign. There are younger users on this forum, we can't expect everyone to be 18 in this internet age. I don't think these kids should be taught that this is how to treat other clutchfans this way, which spills over into the GARM. (Yes, there's another way to look at the D&D, not as a good thing functioning as a quarantine area, but rather the very seed that fuels the poor treatment of other users in other forums. The D&D, is the example of how all disagreements should be handled. The GARM handles heated topics too, ask any red-blooded Rockets fan) Sure, the D&D handles emotional topics just like the GARM, be we've seen that the moderator's power goes a long way. Laying down some ground rules that encourage decent discussion WILL fix the problem. Ask a lawyer to draft it if you must (eg. MadMax). Instead, what we have is a few cowards who continue to satisfy the "bare minimum" and test the boundaries of what they're told not to do. Thus their straddling of the line of what's right and wrong creates more issues and requires more moderation. Instead of listing out what you can and cannot do which encourages bending the rules, list out what is expected of us and hold us to that higher standard. A slightly ambiguous open-ended standard would work. Those who test the boundaries, test at their own risk. That's the only warning they need. There seems to be two types of people who post in this forum. Those who enjoy the fighting and hurling of insults, and those who want to pursue genuine discussion. To ask the sincere people to not take serious issues seriously, is a rather ridiculous. We don't have to placate those who want to fight, there does not NEED to be a forum for them, believe it or not. A new culture can be created if the moderators choose. I would have no problem if I am the first one to be punished by these new guidelines. Thank you, Pimphand24
Agreed Agreed again! Can I get an Amen! I have my own ideas and beliefs, but get a lot out of well-reasoned arguments for both sides of an issue. Hey, it's possible I might be wrong.
LOL at moon's perception of himself as someone who doesn't speak with hatred and anger. He's probably the worst on here in terms of childish tantrums.
I would disagree with that a lot because I have posted that Barney Frank should resign for his role in Fannie Mae, I've trashed Pelosi and Reid and advocated that Obama undercut them, and I have also disagreed with the way Obama used bailout money and nobody called me a nut case. People can disagree on lots of things in good faith but then again I never posted conspiracy theories about Obama's father or his religion or attacked him for not being black enough or patriotic enough like some conservative posters did here over the last year.
Excuse me if I find your posts more than a bit confusing. I haven't see D&D "spill over" into the GARM. On the contrary, some of us who post here frequently tell others posting in the GARM to take political and religious BS down here, and to leave it out of BB discussions. Heck, I've done that myself 2 or 3 times just in the last couple of days, when idiots have said highly insulting things about the Mormon religion. I probably should have reported them, but instead, I told them to take it here. I've also praised conservative (or worse) members that are seen as notorious by the liberal side of the spectrum for making good posts in the GARM, having done that with Trader_J more than once, even telling him to post more (he's very articulate re basketball and the Rocks, when he wants to be). With all due respect, a lot of what I'm reading complaining about this forum sounds like sour grapes for losing an argument, and outright hypocrisy.
I don't suppose it would be possible for you two to tell the truth... that you are making those comments because you know you'll get an emotional response at times, which you delight in, not because of what either one says about a particular issue. Nope, I didn't think so.
I only have vitriol for you and the others who are mindless drones who refuse to use evidence, logic, or reason. If you had even a modicum of civility, you never would have drawn my ire, but you have earned and deserve all the scorn I could ever heap on you.
See my response to Deckard at the end of this thread... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=4417418#post4417418 Pretty much sums it up.
so in what - 11 or 12 weeks - you've alreday cemented obama's presidential legacy? you must be some sort of soothsayer.
Yes the D & D has a lot of unintelligent blather, acrimony and trolling of all sorts but that pales to what the GARM has become in the last few years. A lot of people want to bash on the D & D but is it really much worse than the other forums?
Those guys were wusses and didn't do their moniker change the honest way by starting a new account and going back to rookie. Honestly I'm glad to not have kept my previous post count.
