What I am saying is that in order for there to be a "double-standard", Europe would have to kill 6 million Muslims and then allow people to deny it while punishing those who deny Hitler's Holocaust. There is no double-standard involved in allowing the cartoons to be published and punishing Holocaust deniers.
David Irving is a giant sack of poo. One could make the case that he has never "disbelieved" the existence of the holocaust all along and simply lied about it for political reasons. In this case, one could make a reasonable argument for the "fire in a theater" scenario. Just to add someone's personal experience with the man, this comes from another forum: [rquoter] I'm sure my Wife will enjoy reading this thread! A few years ago, David approached her in a very "inappropriate" manner at the SOS. [the Show of Shows, a large militaria show in Ohio] At the time, I was a little distracted with all of the displays at other tables surrounding his table. I didn't find out about the conversation she had with him until after we left the Show, but I'll never forget it. At the time I was ready to drive back and "hunt" him down, but now we just look back and laugh about it! My Wife refers to him as the "dirty, old man" that needed a little dental work (she is in the professional dentistry field)! Can't wait to show her this one! [/rquoter] Also, the sentence isn't set in stone just yet. [rquoter] Before you get too delirious with joy - wait for the appeal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4734648.stm. Even if it fails his time in remand will be taken into account and he will be also eligible for parole in just over 12 months! [/rquoter]
As far as what? The cartoon protests? Yes, definitely, all the mainstream Muslim organizations I am aware of have denounced them...heck, Iran has called for an end to the cartoon violence, and that's not a moderate leadership by any stretch of the imagination.
No, that's not all. How about all the violence, terrorism, and human rights abuses in Muslim countries? And is it enough for you that mainstream Japanese and Americans have denounced past abuses.
we aren't discussing if individuals have condemned it or not. we're discussing if the nations have. the US gov't doesn't refer to the genocide of africans coming here nor the genocide of 100 million native americans as genocide. similarly i'd pray to god the day comes when muslim gov't condemn these atrocities as well. im with you.
This law .. . this situation is so unAmerican It strikes against the core of various American values fortunately . . it didn't happen in a great nation like the USA man . .it just feels so 4th world Rocket River
It's hard for us to fathom these types of laws without seeing how they evolved. I remember SJC (who's German) being very much in favour of them. I guess it's equally hard for some Euro's to understand our affirmative action programs.
Drastic steps were needed in Europe to fight Nazism. When do you say "that's enough", and allow what was once outlawed? I see both sides.
I don't know whether it's enough for other people, but it would definitely be a good first step. But so far, neither mainstream Japanese nor mainstream Americans have denounced past abuses. Japanese said their ACTION during the WWII caused some difficulties for neighbouring countries and their own country, but it was to fight Western colonization. Americans said what they did to native Americans was WRONG. I didn't see anyone denounce anything.
Wnes, so uncomfortable in attacking the extremist violent Muslims in the news every day, would rather focus on an insignificant and meaningless Christian group.
Mr. Clutch, so comfortable in attacking the extremist violence by insignificant number of Muslims in the news every day, would rather ignore the same outlandish claim by a Christian group.
"Extremist violence" and "insignificant" shouldn't be in the same sentence. When people die, buildings torched, its significant. Who are you to tell the people who died in the violence their life are "insignificant".
The qualifier "insignificant" was used to describe the number of Muslims participating (relative to the huge Muslim population worldwide) in the violent activities, not the events themselves. A little too quick to jump to your conclusion?
But the Chrsitan group isn't really doing anything besides disseminating disgusting views. They are weak and aren't rioting or murdering people on a daily basis. Second, it clearly is not an insignificant number of Muslims. It may be small in terms of percentage but it's a significant number. I don't understand why it makes sense to criticize Bush, Christians, etc. in threads like these.
