I think the Illuminati and Free Masons are in partnership with them. I urge you to buy as much gold and as many guns as possible. Also have you bought your air tickets to Jerusalem for Dec 2012?
I think this post just proved Mathloom's point. You are tracing the actions back to a book you've never read. Your other posts quote different Surahs, yet you admit you haven't read the book. The implication from that is you've either: a) been told what those Surahs say or mean by someone who has read the book, b) read snippets of the book, or c) are just reciting what someone else attacking Islam has said. If you truly want to understand how much can be traced back to its roots - if you are sincere in that desire, you would need to read the book in order to come up with opinions on your own. It is fine to attack terrorists who attack in the name of Islam and I don't think you'll find anyone who would disagree with that. But, to blame those terrorist attacks on the teachings of the Quran without actually reading it yourself just comes off as ignorant.
Which is why it makes sense for someone to bring up the point whether you have actually read the book or not. It's a valid point. If it is being taken out of context by the crazies then it is they that are the problem and not Islam.
once again you guys choose to keep a troll thread alive jsut so you can YET AGAIN rehash your endless argument with SJC. Geeze guys, put him on ignore if he offends you.....this argument never goes anywhere
Quoted for truth. It hit me last week that it's just a cycle of trollish r****dedness. Nothing NEW is ever discussed. One guy trolls and others continue to feed it. Don't even know who's the dumber. Anyway, lesson learned. My town of Ignore City just brought in its first resident.
Typically extremist religions tend to moderate when people have something to lose. You notice that the Muslim nations with the highest standard of living also tend to have the most moderate nation? Egypt is fairly secular and that's not a surprise. So is Turkey and Malaysia. Christianity went through it's fundamentalist stage in the dark ages and Inquisition periods...but what happened to change that? Wealth. the end of feudalism. The middle east is in a very similar spot. If you really want to see a diminishing of extremist Islam, then you'd advocate democracy and development in those nations.
You do realize your first statement discredits the 2nd. The sharia law is man made. Not in the Quran bud. The Quran clearly talks about men and women being equal. Of there being many paths to salvation. Refers to Jews and Christians as brothers with their own paths(yes it has animosity towards them in different parts in regards to the context of war at that time, but ultimately and several times the message is to coexist and be pluralistic) It emphasizes intellect and reason over aggression. It says nver ever be the aggressor and that if you kill one innocent person it is one of the greatest sins in the world. So these are some of the rules in their that obviously contradict the picture you are painting about these exclusivist extreme people who have to take over and thats the bottom line. Are you really that unaware that your main source is youtube and wherever else? Do you try to purposely be ignorant or only hear what you want? Yes I realize their are extremists out there and they are enemies to other muslims as much as they are to any one including america. Its hard to answer some of these posts over and over again and even more so, its just astonishing to see the level of plain ignorance.
I agree with your post except one major issues about democracy. In order for democracy to function properly since it is incumbent on the vote and say of informed people, the people themselves must be educated. Case in point is we helped support a democracy in Pakistan. The people are not widespread educated and could easily be manipulated and there for you see extremists in power and mostly over there you see just pure corruption which hinders the countries progression that would very well help fight the extreme ideology. Before instilling a democracy, you have to focus on the other point you made, development. Specifically on education. Then they will empower themselves, the literates who can read the quran them selves, apply contexts, and get the ideas and the over all message can not be manipulated. I think to properly educated and empower the people is the long term and only key. WE give them a bunch of aid, why can't we say we will gie you this money, but some of it has to go towards this. I think in that, we will see the first step needed towards change You also made a good point if you notice the moderate countries that are not in political turmoil are doing well. The issues here are not muslims, although due to the culture there they use religious lingo in every act they do it seems. But you can go back to civilizations like the moorish spain when muslims lived peacefully with christians and jews. Jews prospered, science prospered, medicine prospered, it was a time of pluralism and advances in the maths, sciences, and all other academics. There was no suicides or fatwas. This is the exact same religion, the book didn't change, but the politics of these countries did and thats where we see the unrest. We are asking the wrong questions and looking at the wrong places for answers. Its similar to look at the people in jail or even the hs drop out and say look at the numbers, its clear cut, if your skin color is black then you are more likely to do that. That is the simple and ignorant way out, what we really need to do is look deeper otherwise its unfair to an entire race and group of people in both these cases. Look at the socioeconomic background and you will find more answers that directly connect to this. ITs not black or white so there are not 100% of anything in this world, but this is a more reasonable explanation .
Its ashame you can't see beyond surface level. That you only use basic logic of A=b so on to simplify and come to a conclusion that someone in elementary school would. This is the same logic that says look at blacks filling up the jail rate and hs drop out rate, that is a group of people, that is the result, it must be something wrong with the group of people. You don't look at the political turmoil situation and beyond. You do not think back in history? Islam is an old religion, at time of turmoil people were killing in the name of christianity even. That doesn't say christianity promotes that violence, its that the context and issues of that time bought about violence and the christians there used their lingo/talk/beliefs to apply it to that. That is how human nature justifies all actions. That is how the people who have killed abortionist doctors justified theres, etc in times of history, you have o go further back than even you are thinking. Yes, if you go back to the moorish spain you see coexistence between Islam and the other main religions. You see jews prospering in that time. You see the sciences and academics prospering at that time. It wasn't known for its violence. That was the same religion, yet the results significantly different. No one rewrote the book, but the context, situation is what changed. So now perhaps in the elementary basic thought you could see that it was not a=b, but there were other circumstances and issues that in history have made bought about general war and turmoil in any place or with any people. Its ashame your ignorance and ability to only look back towards recent history and not look at and include all the facts comes to the premises that 'this ideaology is evi' because yes people like myself follow that SAME ideology and its a slap in the face whether you intend it or not towards myself and hundreds and hundreds of millions of others who not only are against the violence and oppression, but consider those people their enemies not 'brothers'. Yet, when you say islamists or this religion this ideology, you insult all of us and such a large group that has nothing to do with any of that although we follow the exact same religion and it brings us peace and to strive for being a better moral person. Whether you like it or not, you choose to focus on a small percentage of results from this recent time, and then ignore the 100s of millions of examples. Yet when it comes to other religions(even if you don't support them, you don't have a vendetta out to prove their evil tendencies on this board like you do islam) you choose to ignore the small instances and the context and some of the history that shows similar results.
No, being black is something you are born as. There is no ideology behind being black. The jail and drop out rate can be explained by looking at the history of discrimination in the USA. This is a total myth. You should read up on that.
