Three-strikes policy: Egypt military fires AGAIN on unarmed civilians and now reporters.

The whole point of Egypt is that civilian power checks the government.

Otherwise, Mubarak's regime would never have fallen. The people police the government. That is how this whole situation happened!

Egypt may not have the courts and the system of checks and balences (what I referenced as a less-than-perfect comparision), but the power of the streets, and democratic discourse within protest movements had only been accentuated, and did make Morsi back down several times (if not enough). that balence should have been tried further, before the military stepped in. Democratic discourse should have been maintained between the people and the representatives elected! Democracy is messy and long, and certainly a period of time longer should have been warranted rather than going to the worst option in the book that soon.

There was no need for the military to do anything if everyone was against Morsi, much less kill his followers, arrest everyone, impose emergency law, and squelch dissent.

 

you picked an interview with some random representative that claimed there were exceptions outside Egypt. Fine.

I read that and made it clear what my position was. I THOUGHT it would be clear to anyone who entered this topic that it would be about Egypt, but if you want, we can walk through this again.

You should read more, and post less ATW. Start with the thread title.

 

You should always link to your quote sources, and translate those videos into English.

...I mean you're berating me because you quoted some guy quoting a guy, then you forgot to put in link quotes...so...that's my fault? Man, internet forum no-no.

How about you keep on the topic, instead of worming around? I have plenty of reasons to berate you, least of all your inability to read title threads. Just because the guy is based in Egypt doesn't mean he is talking about Egypt---in fact, he isn't. Can you confine yourself to Egypt---we have plenty of room for your threads about miscellanous Islam. Thanks.

 

I posted with regards to the theoretical renoucement of violence in Egypt on an organizational level, which is fairly well-established. Originally, however, I must admit in good faith that I thought that was broader---but I realize the MB has its' own little quirks and terrible exceptions to the rule. However, the fact that there is said rule is not disputed. Whether it is followed to the tee by individual members, eh. You are only bringing exceptions to the fore that have little to do with the actual situation we are debating. The rule may be flawed as the MB is, but to say that MB is justifying violence in Egypt is patently false. I had assumed Texxx was referring to the situation in Egypt because, well, who would have ever thought a thread about violence in Egypt would be a thread about violence in Egypt.

But you know what ATW, I realize your game. This discussion really has nothing to do with the thread (it really doesn't, and you're focused on such pendantic details now), or with your basic inability to square your biases away. It's really about me. And I'm flattered you would go to all that work to spin some narrative about your intellectual superiority.

listen buddy, keep at it. You are beating your internet enemies up! They've got nothing on you, oh secure you.

 

...what the hell does this quote you cited have to do with Egypt, or the thread topic?

read my above post before you start spouting your good sources for no good reason.

You've derailed so many times, it's like 20 ATW threads in one thread, which I suppose keeps the front page clean.

 

...do you imagine yourself with like a bunch of people while you're on the forum?

The Brotherhood renounced violence in Egypt. My original argument with Bigtexxx was for him to consider this factor and do more research. If you don't get that this thread is about Egypt, I can't help you. Thank you for bringing in disturbing implications outside Egypt that may displace this rule, but be aware that this isn't part of the thread scope at all.

You jumped on me (not the other way around) in your quest to---I don't know, prove me wrong or something, so if you want to leave, it's your perrogative. I remember the times where you were "too drunk" to respond, so I suppose this is a more dignified exit.

I hope you note that I've been relatively civil the entire time. I would call on you to do the same, but I've lost hope on that.

 

Yes, I'm asking you what exceptions to the Brotherhood's renoucement of violence outside Egypt have to do with violence in Egypt, and the military massacring people in Egypt?

Or are we getting to that same point of trying to whitewash the military's crimes by making their victims ever more undesirable?

 

I have condemned those violent acts very forecfully, despite the fact that your videos are in Arabic, poor quality, have red circles around random people, and look to be sourced from state media (very reliable). I still condemn them.

You have not condemned the military very forcefully. Which is frustrating because that is the point of this entire thread!

Bolded was my whole point of contention with Texxx, you can say it's lip service, but he waded into the debate and claimed the opposite, that they used lip service to justify violence in Egypt. They don't. They clearly are at least saying they don't want to be violent in Egypt. I tried to set the record straight. Thanks for clarifying this for all.

The rest I left because it just speaks to your motivation vs mine. Listen man, I did not create this thread with the intent to "destroy" anyone. I wanted to raise awareness about the issue. I don't actually start threads 24/7 about one topic, I reserve a spot for those topics I think really worth discussing. I thought a large mass massacre of this scale was worth discussing. I have had some good discussions about it, but you are really crowding the good stuff out man.

You have a toxic attitude. Destroying people on the internet? Who the f**k cares? This is a place to experiment, to test views, to get new sources of information. I'm a placeholder name, you are too.

really, think about if you're approaching this thing with the right point of view.

 

weren't you the one who harps on about personal attacks, and losing a debate?

care to comment on ATW?

Anyways, my point stands. ATW actually decided to counter your point for me by admitting that the Muslim Brotherhood pays "lip service" to peace in Egypt. That was my point all along. It is in direct contention to your statement as to why the Muslim Brotherhood is so dangerous in Egypt.

 

I'm not apologizing for anything. If you think it's a waste of time to be on here, then you're free to leave. you and "everybody".

As it is, I thanked you for proving my point for me. Thanks again.