Three Bomb Blasts hit Egypt - Carlyle group suspected

Thank you for your thoughtful response

However, Hayes did not use the same source as me, he used the same author...also the text he was citing was 3 years older than mine...people routinely use the same evidence, facts, and stats and come to different conclusions, but he used Nikki Keddie's opinion to justify his position. He also used a fake photo in an immigration thread to back up one of his arguments as well and was quickly called out on it, and he's also routinely called me names and I've asked him to stick to the debate and tried not to resort to the same tactics

What I was upset over is when Hayes said that I said OBL was legitimate...I said that he has legitimate grievances

I think Hayes needs to take some of your advice as well

As far as Hezbollah goes, in addition to being a national liberation movement, they have just under 20 seats in the Lebanese Parliament, the Energy minister of Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah as well, and they provide a vast array of social services for the historically downtrodden Shi'i community of Lebanon, who otherwise would not have access to these services, and have their own tv station, al-Manar....doesn't sound like a terrorist organization to me

 

Fair enough. Thanks for the words, btw.

 

Weak. Your 'text' was a book talking about a long trend from the same author I quoted from three years earlier, lol. That makes the post date argument ridiculous. No doubt the same information was used for both unless you're suggesting the trend analysis and statistics were scrapped after publishing a huge article on it. But that's not really the point, you got busted putting your opinion up against a recognized source, your source, and got schooled. No problem there. Get over it. And his use of source was not incorrect, btw.

For someone who demands concrete proof hitting them in the head I haven't seen you provide any that the photo WAS fake, nor was any presented in the thread you refer to. So as a first step you can prove the photo was fake. I don't mean look at it and say you think it was fake. I think Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. Prove it was a fake or cease repeating the same slanderous charge. If you can do that then we get to the point, as I have said before - the photo was to illustrate a sentiment. Anyone reading the thread will see no one in the rest of the thread doubted the sentiment the photo expressed exists. Further, you've accused me of fabricating the photo, which is impossible since the photo came from a site discussed further in the thread - not from me.

I'm suprised you were upset. As for the osama statement, I'll take your word for it and withdraw it.

 

Hayes, you sound like a broken record

anyways, if you are going to accuse Hezbollah of being a terrorist organization, can you back that up with facts or evidence?

I've previously pointed out the facts and what we do know about Hezbollah

So the burden of proof is on you, since you're making the accusation

don't give me lame excuses either....either you can prove this very serious charge or you can't

 

Hezbollah has targeted civillian Israeli communities with rockets but also has been linked to attacks on Israeli consulates and cultural centers in different parts of the world. Its true all of this was done in the context of an ongoing war against Israel but wouldn't you agree that targetting civilians, especially those away from the battlefield constitutes terrorism.

I mean if you believe that the US has committed terrorism in terms of bombing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and in torture and rendition of suspected Al Qaeda around the world then certainly what Hezbollah has done should also qualify.

Almost forgot to supply a link since you will probably ask for one.

http://www.aph.gov.au/Library/pubs/RN/2002-03/03rn42.pdf

 

thanks for the link

while the study is a professional one, it offers no concrete evidence or proof implicating the lebanese hezbollah in any act of terrorism...it's all speculation

 

^ If you see the footnotes they give you some more information. Also its a fact that Hezbollah has hit Israeli civilian communities with rockets. Do you consider that terrorism?

 

Nobody’s hands are clean; I don't see the point of arguing. All sides can fit the 'terrorist' characterization based on the broad perceptive you guys have taken of it.

 

It doesn't matter what you cite, SC. He just keeps saying the same thing.

Creepy,

What's the point of even engaging you? You just make the same statements over and over again, and never bother to answer someone else's questions. You might as well get a blog and you can post to yourself 35 times a day.

There is a huge body of circumstantial evidence that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. One among many instances was Hezbollah member Mohammed Hamadi being convicted of hijacking a TWA flight in 1985. He confessed for crying out loud. IMO, a non-state entity attacking UN peacekeepers is a terrorist criminal act (although I understand others disagree). That Hezbollah has done so is indisputable. If you're waiting for the head of Hezbollah to call his own organization a terrorist organization live in front of you, that's your perogative - but it doesn't constitute a reasonable threshold or defense.

I'm off for a long weekend of camping everyone - have a good one and I'll check in on Monday.

 

exactly what i thought....you always fall back to your "well i dont have an iranian nuclear weapon in my hand" or "the leader of hezbollah isn't gonna come out and say it" responses

you have no proof, but i guess you'll continue making irresponsible accusations

as for the endnotes, almost half of them are from newspapers and the other half are from internet sources....all of them are secondary sources....to be able to prove something like this you need primary sources

 

Thank you SC, that is the kind of stuff I was looking for. I was able to find them called terrorists, but hadn't found any incidents to back up the claim.

Creepy, Newspapers and even reports from the internet are the exact kinds of proof that is provided in these debates. The fact that they are secondary doesn't refute their accuracy or relevance.

 

That's true this is all subjective. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

I'm trying to point out though that if you look at just actions then many groups fighting for all different causes have engaged in what can be considered terrorism. I've heard many people including posters here say the US military are terrorists since it has bombed civillians and engaged in kidnap and torture. If so then clearly the same standard should apply to a group like Hezbollah even though the cause they are fighting for is legitimate.

What makes things muddy about what constitute terrorism or a terrorists organization is whether someone considers their cause just. If so then you can have groups and individuals basically doing the same things yet call one terrorists and the other not.