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Thousands of unaccompanied minors cross into U.S.

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  1. fchowd0311

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    No you didn't. He asked for a source for illegal immigrants commiting for violent crimes per capita than citizens.
     
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    Border patrol has the most low hanging fruit recurutiment out if any federal enforcement agency from my experience knowing peers who transitioned from Infantry to these jobs. It's one of the federal law enforcement agencies that finest require any higher educ like the FBI.

    It's MAGA town at border patrol and they disproportionately recurit people who lateadg have a hatred for immigrants.

    So one anecdotal incident doesn't justify the cosplay that Ted Cruz did saying he saw smugglers in a night video where all you hear are voices. No intellegent person believes his ****. He's a US Senator. They aren't going to place him in a position that is going to be anywhere near potential smugglers.

    Basically what I'm saying is Border Patrol is full of idiots with predisposed severe bias towards right wing politics because the job attracts a certain type.
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    "AOC says calling border crisis a ‘surge’ pushes white supremacy":

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/31/aoc-says-calling-border-crisis-a-surge-pushes-white-supremacy/

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    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has finally addressed the border crisis — but only to accuse anyone using the term “surge” of pushing a “white supremacist” philosophy.

    Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) has repeatedly been accused of ducking the dangerously overcrowded migrant detention centers despite saying they were akin to “concentration camps” under the previous administration.

    She initially appeared outraged when asked during an Instagram Live ask-me-anything session why she was “not addressing the border crisis and the kids in cages like you used to” — asking after a pause, “Are you for real?”

    “It’s not a border crisis. It’s an Imperialism crisis, it’s a climate crisis, it’s a trade crisis. And also it’s a carceral crisis,” she said, without directly addressing the kids-in-cages allegation itself.

    “But people don’t want to have that conversation. They want to say, ‘But what about the surge?'” AOC said.

    “Well, first of all, just — gut check. Stop. Anyone who’s using the term ‘surge’ around you, consciously, is trying to invoke a militaristic frame,” she insisted.

    “And that’s a problem, because this is not a surge. These are children and they are not insurgents and we are not being invaded.

    “Which, by the way, is a white supremacist philosophy. The idea that if another is coming in the population that this is an invasion of who we are,” the congresswoman continued.
    more at the link
     
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    White supremacist law professor doesn't back down from calling it a crisis:

    "4 reasons why migrant children arriving alone to the US create a ‘border crisis’ ":

    https://theconversation.com/4-reaso...alone-to-the-us-create-a-border-crisis-157999

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    1. Children need care
    Migrant children cannot simply get jobs and fend for themselves upon arrival to the U.S. They need to be housed, educated and fed. While some may have family with them or in the U.S., many do not.

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    2. Care is costly
    Unlike the roughly 11 million undocumented adults in the United States – a vital labor force that, studies show, drives key sectors of the U.S. economy like agriculture and construction – undocumented children require economic resources.

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    3. Care is complicated
    These last two issues combine to create an incentive for policymakers to simply demand these children be returned to their home countries.

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    4. Migrants are nobody’s constituents
    These are all big problems, but the U.S. government has solved big problems before. So why is the country still struggling to effectively deal with the decade-old issue of child migrants?
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    Satire has to be somewhat based in reality for it to be funny.
     
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    “The San Diego County Board of Education announced Tuesday they would be sending California public school teachers to the temporary migrant center at the San Diego Convention Center, to teach the hundreds of migrant children who crossed into the country illegally.”
     
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    https://sandiegounified.org/about/newscenter/all_news/bettersd__march_20__2021

    They already started reopening schools this spring... And San Diego kids who are legal residents get to be in classrooms the size of 20-30 and go back to a home while these migrants he to be crammed into a,room with 300 of them and then go back to their detention centers.

    If legal residents want to swap places, they are welcome to but I doubt they would enjoy the experience.
     
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    yeah iand f these kids dont survive, it's the US' fault right
     
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    "Border crossings in March jumped to highest level in 15 years, data shows":

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0ee61c-93b3-11eb-9af7-fd0822ae4398_story.html

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    More than 171,000 migrants were taken into custody along the U.S. southern border in March, the highest monthly total since 2006, according to preliminary U.S. Customs and Border Protection data reviewed by The Washington Post.

    The extraordinary increase — up from 78,442 in January — underscores the magnitude of the challenge facing the Biden administration, especially as it races to add emergency shelter capacity for an unprecedented number of teenagers and children crossing without their parents.

    Last month CBP took in more than 18,800 unaccompanied minors, a 99 percent increase from February and a figure far above the previous one-month high of 11,861 in May 2019. The increase in the number of migrants arriving as part of family groups was even steeper last month, soaring to more than 53,000, up from 19,246 in February and 7,294 in January, the preliminary figures show.
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    As a independent who supported biden he has everything going for him. Record Booming econony, huge job growth, popularity in polls, covid over and hes fighting a lose lose battle here. The majority of moderate democrats don't support allowing undocumented children in as policy. Hes fighting a losing a battle and it's fkin r****ded. His democratic base wants health care and infrastructure beyond immigration reform even.

    Reverse course at the border and hell have an approval rating as high as jfk
     
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    Your missing the point that Biden could be planting land mines at the border for children to walk on, and THE NARRATIVE that the right portrays about Biden/Democrats supporting open borders looms so large around the world especially in Central America, that it's inevitable that Central Americans will want to try their luck at getting here now while A. The weather is good, and safe, and B. You'll hopefully be treated humanely instead of like an animal.

    The Narrative on the right fuels the situation as much as anything. Reputation matters, and I'm sorry but having a reputation for being a humane human being vs. someone who thrives on crimes against humanity is actually a good thing. The Democrats and the left need to do a better job of holding the media accountable for falling for right wing narratives about what is and what is not a problem. What Biden is doing is not a presidential ending scandal. Far from it, and people need to push back on the media for the BS way this is covered.

    Yes, immigration is broken. Yes Biden is in charge and the most responsible person for how this is dealt moving forward. No it's not all on him. Congress could pass his immigration plan into law tomorrow if they wanted to. That is needed to provide for the infrastructure needed to set some sort of guidelines for dealing with immigration.
     
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    Why would fear mongering about Brown people coming here in a dramatic emergency like way like narrated by the media ignited by the right, NOT create more racism???

    Of course AOC is right here. I don't know why you posted this thinking this is newsworthy, or as a "Oh what is AOC triggered by now??" moment. Yes... media fear mongering about the border situation creates fear and racism.
     
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    why do you worry so much about what I post?
     
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    "Biden's lose-lose immigration strategy":

    https://theweek.com/articles/974090/bidens-loselose-immigration-strategy

    Biden's lose-lose immigration strategy
    by Shikha Dalmia

    President Joe Biden is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to dealing with the border mess. If he rolls back former President Trump's draconian border policies without first scaling up the asylum infrastructure that Trump gutted, the right will accuse him of losing control of the border. If he waits, the left will accuse him of continuing Trump's awful policies.

    Since he's going to be damned either way, he might as well do the right thing and throw out all of Trump's awful anti-asylum policies, including Title 42, an emergency executive order that used COVID-19 as an excuse to give authorities carte blanche to turn away migrants.

    At Biden's first presidential press conference last week, the allegedly liberal press pushed a line of questioning borrowed straight from the playbook of right-wing restrictionists like Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Arkansas) who have accused Biden of hanging a "big welcome sign" on the border. PBS' Yamiche Alcindor told Biden that his message that now was not the time to come to America was not being heard in Central America given all the migrants flocking at the border because they viewed him as a "moral and decent man" — as if that was a vice. Moreover, she demanded to know why some migrant families were being allowed to stay in the country despite Title 42 — implying that this was contributing to the border rush.

    But the notion that migrants make the 1,000-plus-mile dangerous schlep, children in tow, only — or even primarily — because of the guy in the White House is belied by both logic and facts. The truth is that Trump's cruelties deterred migrants trying to escape gang violence and starvation only at the margins. National Immigration Forum's Danilo Zak notes that the apprehensions at the Southwest border — a proxy for the overall rate of unauthorized migration to the United States — dropped sharply to around 17,000 last April when the coronavirus pandemic initially hit. But since then they have steadily risen, reaching around 75,000 in December (when Trump was plotting to overturn the election) before touching around 100,000 in February after Biden took the reins. Moreover, numbers like this in February, which conservatives like Arizona Governor Doug Ducey insist have "never" before been seen, were actually seen in 2018 when the apprehension rate touched 130,000, which is nothing compared to 2000 when it was 211,328!

    The 100,000-apprehension number also overstates the border problem. Why? Because it no longer accurately represents the count of new migrants trying to enter the United States. That number, Zak points out, is likely much lower than previous periods, given that an estimated 37 percent of the migrants apprehended between February 2020 and March 2021 were repeat crossers — up from around 7 percent before Trump issued Title 42. Prior to that order, unauthorized migrants, especially asylum seekers, were accorded a small modicum of due process before being ejected from the country. But this also meant their illegal entry was properly documented and any repeat offenses were considered a felony that could get them disbarred from the country for a long time.

    In its zeal to kick out as many border-crossers as fast as possible, Title 42 scrapped all due process. It denied so much as a hearing to asylum seekers, a violation of their rights under both U.S. and international law. Trump even ejected pregnant women and children without exception. But this also meant that the legitimacy of their petitions could not be determined and repeat crossings couldn't be treated as felonies worthy of disbarment. Hence some migrants try crossing again and again, sometimes several times a day, artificially inflating the apprehension numbers. Indeed, if you subtract these repeat crossers from the total apprehensions, there is little difference between the number of migrants trying to enter in the first few months of 2019 and 2021. Trump resorted to Title 42 because he thought it would be the cheapest way to kick out border-crossers en masse. But what he saved in legal resources is being spent on snagging repeat offenders.

    So the question is why didn't Biden scrap this order right off the bat along with Trump's "Muslim" travel ban and "Remain in Mexico" policy that warehoused Central American migrants in unlivable Mexican camps for years while their asylum petitions were considered? He quickly carved out an exception for unaccompanied minors, to be sure — which is why Central American migrants, especially those stuck in Mexico, are sending off their kids alone to join relatives in America. But otherwise Biden has refused to get rid of this order and, shockingly, is even defending it in court.

    Part of the reason is that he wants to keep this tool at his disposal in case he needs to quickly clamp down on the border again in response to another Covid-19 wave. However, he does not intend to use it as Trump did to simply seal the country from immigrants. There is some evidence for that given that contrary to Biden's claim at his press conference that he is "sending back the vast majority of the families that are coming," he is letting half of the migrants actually in – which is up from about a quarter in February.

    He needs to relax things even more, but why is he lying about his kinder, gentler approach instead of taking credit for it? Because he fears that if even a single migrant turns out to be a super-spreader or a violent criminal, he'll face a restrictionist-led political backlash.

    But this represents a profound failure to set the terms of the debate that might also turn out to be a poor political strategy. The fact is that unless Biden doubles down on Trump's border cruelty, there will be no appeasing restrictionists. They'll find something to blame him for no matter what. However, pushing Trump-light policies will lose him the support of immigration advocates and his progressive base, which would be far more lethal to his presidency.

    So Biden should announce a date for scrapping Title 42 and get to work rebuilding the physical infrastructure to relieve overcrowding in border facilities and the legal infrastructure to quickly process asylum claims. He's already fast-tracking the release of unaccompanied minors to their U.S. sponsors, even barring the Department of Health and Human Services, which is responsible for their care after the first 72 hours, from sharing information about the sponsors with ICE, a Trump-era policy that turned asylum into an enforcement tool. He's also slowly started processing the asylum petitions of the 25,000 families stuck in Mexico. But he needs to do more.

    The measure that'll make the biggest difference is creating more avenues for low-skilled migrants to legally work in the United States. National Immigration Forum's Zak points out that there are far more single, Mexican men compared to Central American families and children in the current border surge. This represents a return to past patterns. So if Biden wants to prevent his presidency from becoming the source of a future undocumented problem, he has to go to bat for creating a usable guest worker visa program for low-skilled immigrants. And as I've previously written, this is something that his proposed immigration bill is particularly bad on.

    Whether Biden likes it or not, immigration is going to define his presidency. The question is whether he sets his own narrative or lets restrictionists — and their media enablers — set it for him. He can fail on Trump's terms, or succeed on his own.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree this is a crisis but it should be obvious that the policies espoused by previous administration, which we have been told actually aren't that much different than the current administration's policies, weren't really working. There was record breaking number of migrants in 2019 too and we kept on hearing alarming reports of Caravans.

    This problem will not go away due to border enforcement. As long as the root issue of supply and demand that there is a supply of people wanting come here and a demand that there are employers are willing to give them jobs that will continue. Further with issues such as instability in Central American countries there will be people willing to risk their lives and their children's lives to come here. Until we address those this crisis will continue.
     
  20. Andre0087

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    Stop EVERYONE FROM COMING...put troops at the border if you must and focus on our country and increase LEGAL immigration. IF he can do that he'll be well on his way to being the most progressive president in a long while.
     

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