Thousands injured, several dead after pagers explode across Lebanon: Health officials

This is ultimately the issue. These are not COTS communication devices. They were purchased for a specific use to circumvent a fair use policy. Its a communications weapon. The naive leftist want to sit on their moral high horse while those with little to no ethics continue to indiscriminately kill the other side. This is war. And this is what happens when weak global leaders (ie: USA) do not know how to broker deals and bring forth compromise. Empathy speeches, waving hands and nonsensical cackling is not going to fix these issue.

 

Yeah, I would. But then, I also wouldn't accept a pager from a Hezbollah member, and I wouldn't let my kid hang around a Hezbollah dude.... If someone does such things, they oughta know that it's just a matter of time before something bad happens. I'm not saying they deserve to get bombed.

 

Even if I have nothing to do with Hezbollah, how do I know that the pager I received didn't originate from some stockpile that was delivered to Lebanon for Hezbollah? Maybe it got sold to some store and somehow made its way to me. This is the sort of thing that I would be nervous about, but maybe that's just me.

 

Our current leaders are definitely weak.

But I've got bad news for you... regardless of the strength of USA leaders, no deal will be brokered. No deal can be brokered.

We must understand the positions of the two sides. Although Israel is willing to coexist peacefully with muslims, Hamas and Hezbollah refuse to exist peacefully with Israel. October 7th proved that. They will always continue to try to kill every Jew. Netanyahu understands this and realizes that there can be no compromise.

As I've said before, there are only two paths to peace: compromise or conquest. When one side (Hamas and Hezbollah) refuses to compromise, there is only conquest. Israel realizes this and will never make a deal. They know that no deal will ever result in the end of attacks from Hamas & Hezbollah.

So, it falls to conquest. And Israel will only stop when all of Hamas is dead.

 

Do children of Hezbollah party members deserve death?

 

The best recruiter for Hamas is the IDF so it's a self fulfilling prophecy for genocide.

 

So brown people using Signal would be considered a grounds for execution?

 

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Lebanon use to be a great majority Christian country, now it's crap. I'm sure the Mousad got help from the population who aren't terrorists. same with what happened in Iran.

 

Netanyahu and everyone else knows the Biden administration (and potentially future Harris administration) is weak. Its a free for all and Israel knows US will bow down and continue to support them. Iran knows the Biden administration will not do anything serious to them either. Just like Russia and China are pretty much doing whatever they want.

its like going back to middle school. Teachers who had the respect of their pupils behaved. The classrooms with weak teachers were always chaotic. This isn't so much about Republican or Democrats, but just the fact Biden and Harris are weak leaders.

 

I understand your position, but I don’t agree with it. The Middle East has many different factions and many different attitudes.

I do not support radical Islam or even Islam for that matter. However, a lot of the political positions taken by the US and Israel have led to the growth of radical Islam.

I understand your views are sincere, and there are others that agree with you. Based on my personal experiences in the region, my relationships with Arabs and my research and life experiences - I have concluded that US involvement has only increased Islamic extremism.

Israel can worry about themselves. The USA has already gone well beyond what is reasonable.

We don’t need to be creating anymore power vacuums in that region of the world.

 

This has nothing to do with the USA being weak or having weak leadership. The USA does not and never has controlled the region.

If anything, US policy over the last 80 years has caused these issues. From the support for the foundation of Israel, to supporting corruption in Iran, the Iraqi embargo and invasion and Syrian civil war.

It isn’t really about weak or strong leadership, it’s about not catering to special interest groups in the energy sector, political or special interest sector.

No amount of Trump or Harris claiming that Israel has the right to self defense or selling of weapons is going to change that in the short term.

Iran and Saudi Arabia ultimately are the brokers in that region of the world - let them handle it.

 

This has always been the case - even in the heart of the Cold War, other nations did what they wanted because it wasn’t worth the cost to us.

Also - this is the consequence of half fighting wars for 20 years, Americans are sick of it and done with it. Nothing positive comes out of it.

Trump isn’t going to do **** - Harris isn’t going to do **** - the political desire of the people isn’t there. No troops on the ground and no governing of foreign nations.

We aren’t even good at it because it just because a special interest grab.

 

I agree this is the play for Israel - but they will fail. Hamas will just be replaced by another group with similar aims. Israel is small - and surrounded by Muslim nations and political and social instability. Martyrs will emerge short of Israel developing very strong allegiances with Jordan and Egypt.

Israel has to be strongly allied with Saudi Arabia - as the region is a power struggle between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Iraq is stuck in the middle and could go either way.

 

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This goes all back to the Muslim nations that don't have lots of oil only caring about attacking Israel because of the thousands of years of jealousy. And the Sunni vs Shia rivalry is also another dumb religious cloud hovering over the Middle East.

Gaza will never become Singapore
and Iran will never become Germany

Their ideology and leaders don't care about the peace, technology and economic growth. I mean, they were using pagers breh.

 

they will become nazis, doe.

 

At least the Germans made dope cars

 

Hamas and Hezbollah have contributed nothing to the greater world

do they make iPhones ? Do they make cars?
Do they make any good music? Do they make OLED TVs ? Do they have any good basketball players ?

no.

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they are worthless to the greater world

 

Let me get this straight. You’ve been arguing for years now that the US is wrong to be arming and supporting Ukraine against Russia and now you are claiming the US is allowing Russia to do whatever it wants?

You’ve been calling Biden and Harris warmongers and saying they shouldn’t be supporting Ukraine so much. How should they be showing strength then?

 

And I will remind everyone again the US still
Continues to send Israel military aid. Has even sent carrier groups into the region to confront groups like
hezbollah and the Houthis. The US even helped shoot down missiles targeting Israel.

Many of you are just caught up in rhetoric while ignoring actual actions.