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thoughts on webber; we don't need him

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by j-bone, Apr 16, 2001.

  1. tacoma park legend

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    People mention his footwork because it is an important part to any big man's offensive game.

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  2. Kim

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    j-bone, that is some very good warrant for a newbie man. Heypee, you are so right that Mo's game is close to CWebb's, but you got to give it to j-bone, he has a point. I've watched tons of Kings games this year and CWEBB DOES HAVE A HABIT OF SHOOTING OUTSIDE TOO MUCH LIKE MO. That does not mean he is not a premier PF, for I believe that he is only behind Duncan and maybe Garnett (who also shoots so much outside, that Sheed guy is also so talented but you know).

    THE MAIN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MO AND CWEBB IS THAT CWEBB HAS THE SKILLS THAT MO DOES NOT HAVE YET.

    First off, he is a tough tough rebounder who has a knack for finding the ball, whereas Mo does have the desire, just not CWebb's ability.

    Secondly, CWebb's inside game is clutch, whereas Mo is unproven (this ain't his fault b/c rocks haven't posted him up when the game's on the line). This means that when the game's on the line, the Kings go to CWebb down low, and I assure, he is clutch more than not. This guy is respected by the refs, is tough, and makes the shots. I saw him take it to the Mailman 3 TIMES IN A ROW in the last minute with the game on the line.

    Lastly, his court vision for a PF is uncanny! If we get this guy, fast breaks will for sure be crowd pleasers. The guy passes like a guard, his as shown above, his numbers prove it.

    So in the end, CWebb is definitely a plus. I think the rocks do need him if they want force inside and they do. But beware of the outside jumper: it's good, the rocks do the same, maybe it's not so bad, but it's like playing with fire.
     
  3. jbond77

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    I'm telling you resign Dream, Resign Mo, PICK UP RUBEN PATTERSON, and/or A Davis, or Jackson, and will be fine!!


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  4. jbond77

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    I'm telling you resign Dream, Resign Mo, PICK UP RUBEN PATTERSON, and/or A Davis, or Jackson, and will be fine!!


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  5. OT

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    Freak,
    Webber scores twice as many points, gets twice as many rebounds, can play 13 more minutes per game(probably because MO is in foul trouble half the time), has 3 times as many blocks and steals per game as MO

    Player G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    Chris Webber 68 68 40.9 .480 .077 .701 2.60 8.70 11.30 4.3 1.31 1.74 2.81 3.30 27.5

    Maurice Taylor 69 69 28.6 .489 .000 .735 1.60 3.90 5.50 1.5 .41 .55 1.81 3.00 13.0

    That's the kind of player that can get us to the next level. Then maybe our guards can get back on defense instead of having to try and get rebounds. Mo is a good PF but, he is not a Chris Webber and never will be.

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  6. Lil Francis

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    Yep thats true. If we fail to get him then we should try to trade for Rahim because he is dying to leave the Grizzlies.

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  7. j-bone

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    kim, maybe they will understand what i was trying to say about webber. yes, i would love if we get him but he seems to settle for the jumper alot also just like mo. i can recall a game in which they were playing at home against portland, on nbc, and he settledn for four jumpers in a row and missed all four. the fans were aware of this and when he came down court to take another the crowd was yelling at him "nnnooooooo". but i do recall the game that you're talking about in whick he took it to malone three times in the final clutch minute. that the game in which he sprained he ankle on the final sacremento possesion. but that was the first time that i've seen anybody receive the ball in the low post and totally back down malone and have him at his mercy. even charles barkley couldn't back down malone.

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  8. j-bone

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    kim, maybe they will understand what i was trying to say about webber. yes, i would love if we get him but he seems to settle for the jumper alot also just like mo. i can recall a game in which they were playing at home against portland, on nbc, and he settledn for four jumpers in a row and missed all four. the fans were aware of this and when he came down court to take another the crowd was yelling at him "nnnooooooo". but i do recall the game that you're talking about in whick he took it to malone three times in the final clutch minute. that the game in which he sprained he ankle on the final sacremento possesion. but that was the first time that i've seen anybody receive the ball in the low post and totally back down malone and have him at his mercy. even charles barkley couldn't back down malone.

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    First of all, we didn't make the ****ing playoffs. So, yes, we DO need Webber. We need lots of good players so that next year, we DO make the playoffs.

    Second:
    Kenny Smith was an outstanding three-point shooter and was versatile enough to compete in the NBA Slam Dunk competition as well as the 3-point shootout. Vern Maxwell did a great job of containing shooting guards; he did such a good job on Michael Jordan that MJ took a swing at him in one game if I am not mistaken. Not to mention the fact that if John Starks hadn't missed 16 shots in Game 7, we might not have won our first NBA title-- and Max was guarding him. His defense should not be underestimated.

    Compare that to Mo Taylor. Taylor's the epitome of the paycheck player. His heart's in his checking account, not whether his team wins or loses. Taylor's been nowhere near as productive as Smith and Maxwell were during our championship years.

    In his defense, at least he never faked pulling a hammy a la Maxwell in 95.
     
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    We didn't make the playoffs in '91-'92. We added Robert Horry and Mario Elie. Presto, we're in the conference semis, one game away from the conference finals.

    Maxwell's FG% was in the 30's. Kenny Smith was let go by the Rockets and NOBODY picked him up. Maxwell was bought for $25,000. Mo Taylor was a prized free agent in the off-season. Maxwell and Smith don't have a career without Hakeem. There really is no comparison.

    A "paycheck player" playing for 2 mil, eh?

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  11. j-bone

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    come on, lets get realistic here,yes if we get webber we will be in the playoffs no doubt about it, but i say if hakeem were healthy for most of the year we would have still made the playoffs without webber this year, so what's your point? webber will increase our chances greatly into becoming contenders, but him alone will not make us nba champs. there were only three players in the 90's that carried their teams to nba finals victory and those players are michael jordan, hakeem olajuwon, and tim duncan. alot of people may disagree with tim duncan, but watch the playoffs this year and you'll find out as the spurs defeat the 76ers in the finals. as for kenny smith and vernon maxwell, please. those years 94 and 95. you could have put some players from the celebrity squad of rock-n-jock mtv basketball on the rockets that year and we would have still won the championship because olajuwon was on a mission to prove his greatness and not even david stern and david robinson were going to derail. the nerve to present robinson the mvp trophy with olajuwon in the arena. so as for saying that mo is not equal to kenny and vernon has no value because those years we had 80 year old CHARLES JONES and it still didn't matter.

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    Yep, like Hakeem and Kevin McHale, and how everyone used to talk about their footwork.

    In fact silentj, Hakeem is one of the people who has mentioned being impressed with Kenny's footwork.
     
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    not to mention it helps in defensive positioning
    and
    rebounding positioning

    The question as always between KT and MOE is
    which will develop the missing parts of their
    game 1st and most consistantly

    Moe has superior Mid range jumper and offence
    KT has superior Rebounding and IMO defense
    [MO IS NO SLUCH ON DEFENSE]

    Moe could use more footwork
    KT could use more finishing skills

    I like KT
    I like Mo

    I watch KT *TAKE* Dirk N in dallas to the hole
    like he was standing still
    If he finished more consistantly . . .
    then would we be having a discussion

    likewise If moe Rebound more consistantly
    we would not be discussing this

    Rocket River


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  14. TexasG

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    Now that's some funny sh..

    This topic has seems to have turned into Mo vs Webber, now I say if you guys sign Webber why do you have to give up Mo. Mo would be an excellent back up to Webber. Mo at this point in his career is no where near Webber but if he had Webber to teach him the pitfalls of the game, and help him with his "footwork" then maybe Mo will reach Webber's status. The Rockets already have one of the best back courts in the game, and if you were to add Webber that would instantly put the Rocket in the playoffs. I not so sure I'd say top 4 though because the West is pretty tough.



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  15. verse

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    wrong.

    nelson said that he had never seen a player become a rebounder...until dirk nowitski.

    so, yes, it can be done.
     
  16. Live

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    verse,

    I was paraphrasing Nelson.

    And guess what,...

    Mo ain't Nowitski. [​IMG]


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    mo is too a witski [​IMG]
     
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    No way Mo would accept being a backup, especially to Webber who averages nearly 41 minutes a game.
     
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    That statement was made with the impression that they would be willing to sacrefice for the chance at a title. Of coarse you don't want to end up like the JailBlazers but you never know it could work.



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  20. Live

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    [​IMG]

    Good one!

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