Kolb was never the starter. He was brought in to compete for the job, but he was never given the job. He was, at best, a placeholder for Manuel. A guy who could maybe start if the rookie wasn't able to go right away. That's why it was a low contract. That's why it was a 2 year deal. If we draft Bridgewater or Manziel, we might bring in a guy like McCown to compete for the starting job if the rookie isn't ready. But he'd just be a place holder. You don't trade for a placeholder. You don't trade for a guy unless you believe he can be a long term solution, in which case you don't pay him like a placeholder.
It's very worth it if they don't intend on drafting a QB in the 1st round (or at all). Heck, we spent a 5th round pick on a freaking kicker (who didn't even play) so I would have no problem with a 3rd round pick for a QB.
No, it's only worth it if you actually think he can be a franchise QB. Otherwise there is no sense in giving up a pick and giving him a contract. I haven't seen anyone in here suggest they think he can be something special. Heck, is anyone in here of the mindset that he can be Matt Schaub statistically for you? I have absolutely zero interest in getting a slightly above average QB locked in for this team.
My point is that this is silly. When Gary Kubiak gets a new job, it doesn't mean he's going to be interested in trading for TJ Yates or Case Keenum. There's nothing to suggest that BOB has any interest or reason to want Mallet. We don't even know if he was involved in the decision to draft him, let alone if he liked him when he was coaching him for 1 year. He's just as likely to think Mallett is trash as he is to be interested in trading for him. As far as trade value, the other similar guys people have mentiond - Kolb and Schaub - both played many games as a starting NFL QB and did well enough to impress other teams. That's why teams traded for them and paid something for them. Mallett has no such record. There's no reason he would command anything more than the Patriots spent to draft him in the first place. Your value doesn't go up by never playing an NFL game.
It doesn't matter what anyone in here thinks about him, it only matters what Bill O'Brien and Rick Smith think about him. Having seen him in practice in New England, Bill O'Brien would have a much more valid opinion as to the potential quality of Mallet than anyone here. If he thinks Mallet is the guy to go with, who are any of us to question that until we see him in action?
Exactly. If people don't think he can be a star, what is the point? You're just locking yourself into mediocrity.
Unfortunately BOB and Smith aren't on here to post back and forth with. Obviously my posts are in response to and part of a conversation with the people on this site.
"People" didn't think Tom Brady could be a star either. That's why it's best to yield to the judgement of coaching until you see one way or the other.
Okay, but my point was that if BOB and Smith think it's a good idea, they'll do it, if not they won't. I don't see why it needs to go further than that. Since that's a given, why argue about it further? If BOB and Smith thought it was a good idea would you disagree with them?
If our GM and/or coach are hoping to simply luck into the next Tom Brady by trading for backup QBs, I'll go ahead and say they are idiots and should be fired immediately. Even the Patriots coaching staff didn't know Tom Brady was Tom Brady - he only ever got the job because of injury.
I hate these posts. Of course no one here knows. That's exactly why we're all discussing and debating the issue. If any one of us truly knew what was going on behind closed doors we wouldn't be on CFANS blabbing about it. This thread, Teddy or Bust, Blake Bortles, and Johnny Manziel being the missing piece are all outlets to share what we all assume will or won't happen. If you don't like it then ignore it, but for people to keep saying that it doesn't matter because BOB and Rick Smith will make the call it's pretty much correct, but all this is, is entertainment for us.
Man these people in here are probably doctors, lawyers, garbage truck driver, fry cooks, etc _ but I bet none of them have developed an NFL QB... It doesn't matter what WE think, it matters what O'Brien thinks. And if he wants him I'm all for it because I do not want the Texans to spend a 1st round pick on ANY of the QBs in this draft. And if they want to trade back with Cleveland and get Brian Hoyer and his busted knee in the deal... I'm good with that too.
Fair enough - why discuss anything about sports then? Whatever the GM and coach decide is the decision anyway, right? No point in anyone else having opinions.
As a side note, I'd never bet any of my body parts on anything, but if I did I would bet my right nut that Schaub will end up with Kubiak (likely as a backup to help install the offense) if he gets an OC gig this year.
Why did you join a sports message board? What was it you wanted to say? If coach/GM of team says or does something you are on board. What is there to discuss? Big waste of time typing away.
Yea, and I hate that people assume that we automatically have to draft a QB to every have a chance when we did that with Carr. But it is what it is...
He signed before they draft Manuel. So he was obviously in their plans to some degree, since there are no guarantees the QB you want will be there in the draft. He was not a "placeholder". They signed him knowing full well there was a significant chance he would start, and if he succeeded, there was no way they were going to replace him, regardless of who they drafted. He was tabbed as the starter, got hurt so he didn't start preseason week 1. After he healed, he was given the starting spot back in preseason week 2. Preseason week 3, he got his career ending concussion.
That's not the point at all. Going the reductio ad absurdum route really is counter-productive. The point on Mallett is that to us he's an unknown, we are all arguing from a point of ignorance because none of us have seen him play meaningful football in quite a long time. I'm not a big fan of the idea either and I doubt that BOB has some kind of secret crush on him, but if he happened to I'd roll with it. That's all I'm saying.
LOL No. He was signed to compete with Tavaris Jackson for the starting QB job. When they signed Kolb they held private workouts for Geno Smith and Ryan Nassib. The new head coach told the media he wanted Kolb to have a veteran QB on the roster to be a part of a QB competition. The GM said he was coming in to compete for the starting job with Jackson and a potential QB they draft. Reading Buffalo media reports and you'll see that the preseason was considered an open competition. Kolb was not signed to be the de facto starter.
