NFL trades are pretty rare... and trading for a young guy so early into his rookie deal (when their value is highest) is pretty unheard of.
6 RD pick im fine with... wont hurt us at all, but we will sstill have to draft a QB in this draft.., and i really do feel like they will draft a QB in the 1st RD.
I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe if Mallet is on the team as of 2015, they give up pick X, whereas if he isn't, they give up pick Y? Performance based trades are more common in the NBA, I think. The whole reason I'm entertaining this trade idea, beyond the BOB ties, is that I don't have faith that guys like Bridgewater/Manziel/Bortles are better than Mallet. If this draft had a rock-solid QB option, I'd say no. But really, it's kind of a meh draft class. If Mallet is BOB's guy, let's go get him.
There is no way New England is going to let Mallet go for a 6th round pick. You are going to have to give up as much, or more than what they gave for him, which was a mid 3rd round pick. If you want a blueprint to go by, think back to the Kevin Kolb and Matt Schaub trades. The teams that drafted and groomed those guys got better ROI than what they put in for a reason.
n this thread i said that it would atleast take a 2nd round Pick to get Mallett, but people here are convised that they cant get him for a 5rd-6rd.. Im just saying that if thats the case than im fine with it..
I did. What decent starting QBs not on their rookie contracts have a low average salary? Spoiler Average salaries for starting QBs at the start of the 2013 season (some others thrown in too). NFC East Philadelphia - Michael Vick $7.5M; Then Nick Foles - Rookie Contract Washington - Robert Griffin III - Rookie Contract Dallas - Tony Romo - $18M NY Giants - $16.25M NFC North Green Bay - Aaron Rodgers $22M Chicago - Jay Cutler $10M Detroit - Matt Stafford $17.6M Minnesota - Christian Ponder - Rookie Contract NFC South Carolina - Cam Newton - Rookie Contract New Orleans - Drew Brees $20M Atlanta - Matt Ryan $20.75M Tampa Bay - Josh Freeman/Mike Glennon - Rookie Contract NFC West Seattle - Russell Wilson - Rookie Contract San Francisco - Colin Kaepernick - Rookie Contract Arizona - Carson Palmer $8M St. Louis - Sam Bradford $13M AFC East New England - Tom Brady $14.12M NY Jets - Mark Sanchez $13.5M Miami - Ryan Tannehill - Rookie Contract Buffalo - EJ Manuel - Rookie Contract AFC North Cincinnati - Andy Dalton - Rookie Contract Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger $14.6M Baltimore - Joe Flacco $20.1M Cleveland - QB Carousel, no real starter AFC South Indianapolis - Andrew Luck - Rookie Contract Tennessee - Jake Locker - Rookie Contract Jacksonville - Blaine Gabbert - Rookie Contract Houston - Matt Schaub $15.5M AFC East Denver - Peyton Manning $19.2M Kansas City - Alex Smith $8.4M San Diego - Phillip Rivers $15.3M Oakland - Terrelle Pryor/Matt McGloin - Rookie Contract You know that when Arizona traded for Kevin Kolb, they gave him a 6 year/$63.5M contract, right? It just doesn't look that big NOW because they cut him (after he refused to restructure) and he signed another deal to be a backup. You're looking at Kolb numbers from when he was a backup, not a starter. When you do trade for a guy to be your starter, you do give him a contract at least in that $8M/year range. We gave Schaub 6yr/$48M. Arizona gave Kolb more.
Keyword there is decent. Mallet is a complete unknown. He will not command "decent" QB money. Kolb had a much more impressive resume than Mallet. So did Schaub. Schaub's deal, by the way, only held 7 million in guarantees. Which was a caveat that I said I'd be ok with if we threw money at Mallet.
This isn't how negotiations would work. If the Texans trade for him and want him as the starter, he isn't going to negotiate from the perspective of "you value me at a mediocre or worse starting QB level so I'll take their contract."
To be clear I don't think you can get him for a 6th which is why I don't want him. I know NE and probably the value chart will put him at a 3rd or higher and that's just not worth it.
The resume isn't what matters. Flynn had one game. If you tag a guy as your starting QB and trade for him, his agent will want a contract in line with that. You aren't trading a 3rd pick for someone else's backup and then signing him to a cheap deal. He would either sit out or play out the last year of his deal and go into FA.
Um, yeah, no kidding. It's a bird in the hand versus two in the bush, though. The Texans would be offering him money now though... sure, he could take the risk and go out and start without a deal and risk sucking, or worse, getting hurt.
So... a contract in line with the worst starting QB in the league, then? "Cheap" to whom? If it's light in guarantees, I can stomach a higher dollar figure. Mallet has significant disincentive against going into his final year without a contract. Lots of risk.
Then don't ****ing trade for him. There's no point in trading for him if you don't want him to be your starter. You can't trade for him, make him your starter, and pay him backup money. He and his agents wouldn't take the deal. From his perspective, if he thinks there's a market for him as a starter (which there kind of would be if we're willing to trade for him and make him our starter), he's not going to accept backup money. Best case for him, he plays the year out, shows he can be at least a capable starter, and then goes out and gets paid starter money (at least $7-8M, but likely more), be it from the Texans or somebody else. Worst case, he shows that he's simply a backup and he gets the same backup type money the Texans were offering him in the first place. He doesn't lose anything by rejecting a low offer from the Texans so he doesn't have to accept the low offer.
And the lowest average salary for a starting QB (going into the season) not locked into a rookie contract was $7.5M/year.
Who said anything about not wanting him to be your starter? It's about perceived value and price. Your "decent" QB money (seems to be about 10-11 million) would be FAR too much to pay for a guy with zero resume. Actually, the worst case is he goes out there and sucks butt, or worse, gets hurt, and gets no money period. A Schaub-ish type deal, with essentially one year worth of guarantees, wouldn't be too bad at all. But "decent" QB money (10 million a year with 20+ million guaranteed) is a giant hell no.
Donny, you're not making sense. First you state this: Then you state this: If Mallet is so different then Schaub and Kolb in terms of contract negotiations, once those come about, why wouldn't he be so much different in terms of how much we would have to give up in acquiring him? BTW, I don't believe Mallet will be acquired from the Patriots to become our starting QB, especially not for a high pick that we could sorely use to fill our other defensive and offensive holes.
What's the upside to him to sign a contract that doesn't have a lot of guarantees and doesn't have big money up front? He'd be better off playing it out into free agency and getting some dumb team to give him more money. Your post about perceived value is absolutely correct though, you are just missing the main point. If you give up a 3rd rd pick for him (or higher) his agent is going to argue that you value him at "decent QB level" which is that $10 million number you quoted. I don't think he'd get that, but he certainly isn't going to get "flame out trade who is not on backup QB money" $3.5 million. This deal would never happen if you tried to offer that type of deal.
Kansas City did it with Alex Smith. They gave the 49ers a 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft and gave them a 3rd round pick in the 2014 _ But if the Chiefs win 8 games with Alex (which they did) that 3rd round pick turns into a 2nd. And excuse me _ it's called a conditional pick and not performance. I said it wrong. But it's common practice in the NFL.
Valid point. I can see how he could get a 6-7 million dollar a year deal from the Texans (their leverage is increased if they trade for him before FA). I cannot see him getting a lot guaranteed money or bigtime upfront cash from any team though, not even the Raiders.
