Why ask Obrien about Mallet? Why not ask him why he thinks Bridgewater is the best choice for the Texans and can contribute immediately.
You misunderstand me. My point is that Mallet becomes a FA after this year. How much he commands after that is immaterial because you're signing him with the capspace regardless. There's no advantage to re-sign a player than it is to sign him from another team. This isn't basketball. There are no bird rights or anything. Basically two things may occur if we trade for Mallet. 1. He becomes awesome, takes us to the playoffs, and Texans fans rejoice. If O'Brien believes this, then we should trade for him. 2. He's less than that. Either he's mediocre and the Texans go 6-10/7-9 or even worse. In which case, what would be the point? Why not just sign random scrub FA QB instead, and pick Mallet up next offseason for free?
When we traded for Schaub we also gave him a 6 year, $48 million contract. You're not going to trade for a guy to be your QB and let him become a FA. So you'd expect something similar if we were to trade for Mallett. If you're trading for him, it's to be a starter. Starter's on their 2nd contract make more than $3 M/year. Looking at average QB salaries, the cheapest starter I cold find was Michael Vick (who was intended to be the starter before he lost it to Foles) at $7.5 M/year. All of the cheaper guys were guys on their rookies contracts or guys who were part of a QB carousel. From a financial standpoint, you have to be damned sure that Mallett is going to be better than any QB in this draft because if you bring him in to start and give him a new contract in accordance with that, you're going to pay him a hell of a lot more than any QB you could draft.
You made it sound like your point was that Mallet is going to require a lot of money soon, vs. drafting a guy on a bargain contract for 4 years. In reality, Mallet's next contract is not going to be much more expensive than the would-be draft pick. Also, there's two-fold benefit to trading for him instead of waiting for FA. 1) You don't lose an entire year waiting for Matt Schaub's corpse to dry out 2) You get exclusive negotiating rights with Mallet before he actually hits FA
If you trade for him it means you think he can be your starting QB I would assume. Has there been an example of a team trading for someone's backup to make them a starter where they DIDN'T get a big deal as part of the trade? Honest question. My memory tells me without looking into it that the new team always gives the guy a market deal.
Look at current QB salaries. A "market deal" for Mallet wouldn't be that big, especially if you get him before he hits FA.
What's the obsession with Mallett? He was a low 3rd round pick that has basically never seen the field and had all sorts of inconsistency and emotional maturity problems in college. He's thrown a total of 4 NFL passes. Just because Bill O'Brien drafted or coached someone as a backup to one of the all-time greats doesn't mean he thinks he's a great QB or that he can magically turn the guy into one.
Why would you think that? If you trade for him to be your starter, then he is going to want a starter's contract. You don't get to sign him at the rate of a 3rd pick because he was one or as a backup because he is one. Teams don't hand pick someone else's backup to be their new starter via trade and then get them on the cheap.
Agreed. I have zero interest in him unless it was a 6th round pick and was only as a backup experiment.
Exactly...Bridgewater and Manziel are being graded as Top 5 Picks, why not just pick one of them, that im sure has the same or more upside than Mallet.. why would you want to trade some picks to get Mallet.. At this precise time I would rather be looking to add mor epicks than trade them away.. If you have the NO # 1 pick you pick the Best QB that is avaialble. No questions asked.. If you miss on him, oh well it happens, but theres apotential he can turn out to be great.. Teams miss all of the time with 1st rounders, it happens. But again, i rather be the team taking the Risk than any other team picking behind us...
Yes a 6RD pick would be fine, and bring him in to compete with Manziel or Bridgewater in camp.. If he turns out to be great than he does, if not hes a free agent next yr.
Because I'm basing his "market rate" on current QB salaries. I think he's closer to the Josh Freeman/Kevin Kolb end of the spectrum than Carson Palmer/Alex Smith. If we're going to throw 7-8 million dollars at Mallet, we might as well just keep Schaub and draft a QB next year instead. (unless of course it's mostly non-guaranteed)
If the Texans think he's a Freeman/Kolb level player, why trade for him in the first place? Why not just keep Case Keenum at that point?
Nobody here seems particularly high on him. Right. In college. 4 years ago. Speaking of his college resume, from a football standpoint, seems similarly, if not more impressive, than anyone in the draft today. As opposed to the current draft class, who've thrown a total of 0 NFL passes. This is why we're even having this conversation. BOB has ties to Mallet. New England doesn't need Mallet. Houston needs a QB. The math does itself. Nobody is saying it's a slam dunk, nobody is saying it will happen, but it's an option worth considering and looking into. We're taking a big risk no matter what we do.
I say if they trade for him... They can trade a future draft pick based on performance (like a 5th if he suxks or a 2nd if he's good). And the Texans could just let him finish out his current contract and see what he does and if he doesn't work out _ they lose nothing but a late round pick and at least they will have a QB to throw out there while the rookie QB gets up to speed. Or they could just keep Schaub and do the same thing.
